2010 C63 - NEED HELP
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2010 C63 - NEED HELP
Hey gang,
i just rolled off the lot with a 2010 C63 AMG, low miles (70k) ...got home 300 miles, 0 issues no weird sounds no weird driving. Runs great.
After I filled the tank, it threw the codes.... here we are:
P0174
P0171
P2179
P2117
P2177
I noticed it had the resignators deleted underneath and cats deleted i believe... this would cause all of the above codes if not tuned to have the cats deleted...but who am I? if its been on there for years then why now? unless if the dealer deleted the codes to sell it fast...
I bought it from IL so there is a 15 days or 500 miles lemon law in effect... any issues, pay $100 an they will fix it. I'm a bit leary considering when buying it there was 0 check engine lights...getting it home now i have several...
anyone know causes and effects? Picked it up from Bill Jacobs BMW in Naperville IL
i just rolled off the lot with a 2010 C63 AMG, low miles (70k) ...got home 300 miles, 0 issues no weird sounds no weird driving. Runs great.
After I filled the tank, it threw the codes.... here we are:
P0174
P0171
P2179
P2117
P2177
I noticed it had the resignators deleted underneath and cats deleted i believe... this would cause all of the above codes if not tuned to have the cats deleted...but who am I? if its been on there for years then why now? unless if the dealer deleted the codes to sell it fast...
I bought it from IL so there is a 15 days or 500 miles lemon law in effect... any issues, pay $100 an they will fix it. I'm a bit leary considering when buying it there was 0 check engine lights...getting it home now i have several...
anyone know causes and effects? Picked it up from Bill Jacobs BMW in Naperville IL
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Anyone?
Any c63 experts here?
I've read it could be a intake manifold gasket ...but.. I would for sure like to know. I still have yet to hear from the dealership ...called them and emailed.
I've read it could be a intake manifold gasket ...but.. I would for sure like to know. I still have yet to hear from the dealership ...called them and emailed.
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Did you try searching the forum first. Because those are lean codes. Can only be a few things, post-MAF, most likely intake manifold gasket or PCV valve.
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When my intake manifold gaskets needed replacement, mine just threw P0174 and P0171. I'd assume there's more going on than that.
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Been there before. I was coming home to South Carolina from Virginia after picking up my 09 C63. I pulled off the highway to fill up, about 400 miles into the trip, and BOOM my check engine light was on. I too was very worried about this having just bought the car and all that jazz. I have an extended warranty on my car so I took it in and like the forum lead me to believe it was the intake manifold gasket. If the car is exactly what you want otherwise, get the dealer to fix the intake manifold gasket and BOTH MAF sensors. Make sure they check the PCV valves and everything else related to the intake manifold (they can crack as well).This is pretty normal with these cars and once its replaced its good. I haven't had a check engine light from this since repair ( 11 months ago) car runs great and pulls like a train. I also have the secondary cats and res. delete. These will not cause the code. Congrats on the new car and don't worry.
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Thanks for chiming in gang, when i say gang...i mean c63 lyfe? lol
First off, seriously thanks for chiming in. Looking for a new home here in MBWORLD. I've been out of the forum's for a long time... theres a lot of trolls. I use to be really big in the subaru scene, helped a lot on their forum's as an Admin. I've always been pretty afraid of my w212 lol, now i have a w204 and my mind is scattered
- Anyway - I stopped by harbor freight and picked up some new sockets for the benz, ran thru everything checked out the whole top side of the motor. It is extremely clean, No signs of a leaking intake manifold gasket. No signs of anything that raised a red flag. I took everything off that I physically could top side (besides the intake manifold because i didnt want to buy a new gasket and bolts if i couldnt physically see oil leaking, a loose bolt, or the rpms die while spraying some carb cleaner on either sides)
I did however see that the oil dip stick was not fully plugged in. I did some more research while I finished my 4th beer and hit a YouTube video out of all things. Another gentleman with a c63 (c63 gang) said in this video "A good way to find out if your PCV valve is going bad is to unplug your dipstick" The second he did that in the video his rpm's started to struggle.
That being said, If I were to guess, this is a Pre PCV valve failure and driving it around with the dip stick not fully plugged in (when i say fully plugged in, I mean the top of the stick has 2 O rings - one ring was in, the other was barley at the top... not really noticeable)
I do know these 6.2's (yeah I know it says 6.3 but the cc's dont add up) run high compression so I'm hoping for the best, Ive been attempting to complete the drive cycle since yesterday after clearing the light and no check engine lights yet... *crossing my fingers*
First off, seriously thanks for chiming in. Looking for a new home here in MBWORLD. I've been out of the forum's for a long time... theres a lot of trolls. I use to be really big in the subaru scene, helped a lot on their forum's as an Admin. I've always been pretty afraid of my w212 lol, now i have a w204 and my mind is scattered
- Anyway - I stopped by harbor freight and picked up some new sockets for the benz, ran thru everything checked out the whole top side of the motor. It is extremely clean, No signs of a leaking intake manifold gasket. No signs of anything that raised a red flag. I took everything off that I physically could top side (besides the intake manifold because i didnt want to buy a new gasket and bolts if i couldnt physically see oil leaking, a loose bolt, or the rpms die while spraying some carb cleaner on either sides)
I did however see that the oil dip stick was not fully plugged in. I did some more research while I finished my 4th beer and hit a YouTube video out of all things. Another gentleman with a c63 (c63 gang) said in this video "A good way to find out if your PCV valve is going bad is to unplug your dipstick" The second he did that in the video his rpm's started to struggle.
That being said, If I were to guess, this is a Pre PCV valve failure and driving it around with the dip stick not fully plugged in (when i say fully plugged in, I mean the top of the stick has 2 O rings - one ring was in, the other was barley at the top... not really noticeable)
I do know these 6.2's (yeah I know it says 6.3 but the cc's dont add up) run high compression so I'm hoping for the best, Ive been attempting to complete the drive cycle since yesterday after clearing the light and no check engine lights yet... *crossing my fingers*
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Been there before. I was coming home to South Carolina from Virginia after picking up my 09 C63. I pulled off the highway to fill up, about 400 miles into the trip, and BOOM my check engine light was on. I too was very worried about this having just bought the car and all that jazz. I have an extended warranty on my car so I took it in and like the forum lead me to believe it was the intake manifold gasket. If the car is exactly what you want otherwise, get the dealer to fix the intake manifold gasket and BOTH MAF sensors. Make sure they check the PCV valves and everything else related to the intake manifold (they can crack as well).This is pretty normal with these cars and once its replaced its good. I haven't had a check engine light from this since repair ( 11 months ago) car runs great and pulls like a train. I also have the secondary cats and res. delete. These will not cause the code. Congrats on the new car and don't worry.
- Similar situation, Bought it from Naperville IL, aka Chicago and drove it home to Missouri (380 miles). 0 issues, ran like a CHAMP... 21.5MPG doing 70 the majority of the way.
Arrived home, checked the OIL because I know these cars are notorious for burning a bit every few thousand miles.. Turned it off for 5 minutes, Then went to the store and after getting back in from the store it threw the codes.
I'm really hoping this was my fault and I'm a doof by not pushing the dip stick fully down...
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They will not return my voicemails, Emails or calls... Their service advisor who answered the call told me the very first time I contacted them,
Her: "What kinda car isssit?"
Me: "It is a MB"
Her, "take it to a MB dealership"
After that, I attempted to contact, Finance manager, sales person, 2nd sales person and their main line where i was directed to voicemails each time...and my wife even called them.. This is a BIG chain dealership also in naperville IL. Bill Jacob's BMW. I'm hoping that its just miscommunication and perhaps they have been busy for the last 2 days?
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Bad PCV valve will often blow out the dipstick due to crankcase pressure building up that the valve is supposed to relieve. Replace it with a catch can.
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thanks, that is really good to know. If my issue persists I'll check it out. So far, its staying cleared...the readiness monitors haven't cleared yet tho
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. The car has been to the MB dealer here twice now. They replaced the charcoal canister and the pcv valve @ $1000 for parts + labor...all free.
turns out the location I bought the car from cleared the CEL. Also the salesmen was fired...or quit so that' the reason behind not getting my calls returned ...
MB dealer here did the work free due to the dealer I bought it from paying for it all...
However... the c63 just threw the same CEL as before tonight ....the dipstick poped out also...
last but not least, it has to be the intake manifold gasket ...
thoughts ?
. The car has been to the MB dealer here twice now. They replaced the charcoal canister and the pcv valve @ $1000 for parts + labor...all free.
turns out the location I bought the car from cleared the CEL. Also the salesmen was fired...or quit so that' the reason behind not getting my calls returned ...
MB dealer here did the work free due to the dealer I bought it from paying for it all...
However... the c63 just threw the same CEL as before tonight ....the dipstick poped out also...
last but not least, it has to be the intake manifold gasket ...
thoughts ?
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Have we gotten to the point where dealers are clearing codes on a daily basis before they sell pre-owned. Remember the good old days when they would just wipe the car down and tire black the tires to make it seem "new."
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that is very true,
. So after some sprinted driving today the car cleared all codes by itself ... it has 1 code remaining however ... P0171 aka P2171
. I have read a lot about the intake manifold gasket, the intake manifold throttle body plate...and the other several issues these m157 motors have ...
I ran across a thread that said K&N filters can cause this code as well... so I ordered two OEM filters since my idle is fine and this code pops when I drive aggressively and then the dip stick pops out...
at this point i am just keeping a log, and notes.
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Diary entry 27
Today was a good day,
I discovered the C63 had aftermarket air filters, which were the black carbon K & N, I ordered some oem filters as previously mentioned (did I mention it? this island is making me crazy).
The result of these new oem paper filters, and when I say oem...i mean the 2 for $20 deal I got off of amazon...not the actual 2 for $200... anyway the result is I no longer have ant CEL... at all... so go figure.
So if you have had any of the similar issues I have, check this thread out.
P0171 & P2171 are no longer there.
The other codes in the first post were related to PCV and Charcoal Canister ...
I'm still not sure why my dipstick poped out ...
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I discovered the C63 had aftermarket air filters, which were the black carbon K & N, I ordered some oem filters as previously mentioned (did I mention it? this island is making me crazy).
The result of these new oem paper filters, and when I say oem...i mean the 2 for $20 deal I got off of amazon...not the actual 2 for $200... anyway the result is I no longer have ant CEL... at all... so go figure.
So if you have had any of the similar issues I have, check this thread out.
P0171 & P2171 are no longer there.
The other codes in the first post were related to PCV and Charcoal Canister ...
I'm still not sure why my dipstick poped out ...
- MB Whisperer
