BLKROKT

One reason we're shtting all over your post is because there's no real data to support any gains, only a feeling. The other reason is that the rest of us have brains, and use them to detect bullsht like this so we don't have to buy $400 magic spacers that don't do anything. Go read post #19 above, that's all anyone needs to know. You're not removing a restriction, you just don't get it at all.

SactownP31

I've stop caring and no data will be posted as data has been posted before and you guys chose to ignore it. Didn't pay $400. He'll no! As I was very very skeptical myself.

Jasonoff

Just remove your air filters all together for the mostest power for freeeeeeeeeee...

Ambystom01

So he's taking his ball and going home?

Nando_514

As someone without a horse in this race, from what it looks like in the pictures, I think it may be possible that these spacers free up some power PURELY because it removes or reduces the blockage from the bottom of the filter. It's true, the volume of air going through the velocity funnel is the same, regardless of the spacer. But, by raising the filter element, it looks like they're (UPD) smoothing the air flow going through the intake allowing the most air possible to flow through the given volume of the intake. Do I think its 20 hp worth of change? No, absolutely not... However I won't rule out the possibility of this making a slight difference due to flow, alone.

Can someone please chuck this on a dyno and give us some concrete evidence?!

Edit: Nevermind... looks like this thread just died during the hour i was away at a meeting lol.

Infiniti

I logged a friends C63 last night with v7, filters, xpipe and LTH. in third gear he only saw 360 g/s

My car last night logged 426 g/s in third, from what i was told weight affects my numbers due to load.

BLKROKT

Cool story. How's it trap in the 1/4?

Jasonoff

Infiniti

with complications i went 11.8 @119 in 1300ft DA. That same c63 did 11.7 @121 and beat me the same night and a night after when my car was pulling timing. last night the outcome was different still have a few more things to work out. i wanna go back to putting a car length on him before i go back to the track and get disappointed again for the 30th time.

SactownP31

Not taking my ball and going home. Just not going to waste time doing before and after dynos so people can still discredit it. Or make stupid post like Mazda saying it was rigged. Not worth the effort seriously. Black still needs to eat a sneaker from previous thread. As numbers were provided. Got work to do. Will reply to stupid post this afternoon.

Mazspeed

Yes the numbers were bull****. Completely made up, much like your story of the car jumping and being fun to drive as if it wasn't before. Those spacers don't work. I told them I would dyno a par, I never got them. figure that one out for yourself. It's not hard to do 3 quick runs on a dyno, input some correction numbers, put the spacers in, or not put the spacers in, run some slightly different correction numbers like temperature variation and get the desired result and post. By the way, removing air blocks would help, but this is not doing that. Someone posted dyno number showing that the ROW air boxes by themselves did nothing, then he did the filters and got the few hp gains we see with them. These spacers don't have a thing to do with gaining airflow in the manifold pocket. It doesn't magically inject air into the manifold any faster since it's the engine itself pulling the air in. Air is there and the spacers relieve nothing as far as blockages, or anything else. AMG's race cars don't use anything like this in this engine. None of their race cars have a spacer or have extended the base for the size in which the spacer is taking. I checked. Nothing. You would think that a if they could gain an advantage they would run this, but they don't. You know why? Because it doesn't work. There is no independent data showing any gains. None. You can believe these magic spacers work, but don't try and peddle that crap thinking you will find a sucker.

Mazspeed

I cannot argue with the "T".

Infiniti

so you're saying ROW box's don't do squat either right?

Ambystom01

If people can still discredit it, it's a sign it's bull****.

skratch77

I don't think your log on your car is accurate.i get weird logs depending on app and finally get consistent logs with all the settings I changed.

I can't remember what I changed but my logs were all over the place.

The most I saw was 366 at 7k and it was 30 degrees out.

Nando_514

Well ROW air boxes are a completely different topic... I don't think his comment has anything to do with the difference between ROW vs. US spec boxes. The design of a ROW box is different than that of a US spec box. The velocity funnel at the end of the box has a different shape which creates a better flow of air into the manifold and the MAFs are calibrated differently, if I'm not mistaken... Apples to oranges and all that other jazz...

With that being said, he's simply implying that that moving the top of the air box upwards, fractions of an inch, shouldn't net that MUCH of a gain... Because if it did, you would see race teams and engineers hop all over this idea...

Infiniti

i believe they are correct. but im willing to try any other app i can use with IOS. lmk

Mazspeed

I'm saying someone did an independent test and netted little to no gain till the filter change. Learn to read!

Sakebomb

Inb4 some one post dyno numbers of before and after spacers, then people **** on the dyno and how it can be manipulated.

SactownP31

Precisely the reason I'm saying **** it to posting before and after numbers. Even if shows gains of 8-15whp people will discredit it. So what's the point. This thread is for the few people who are/were thinking about trying this out. Do it, its worth it. Contact shardul and he'll give you good deal. Great guy to work with.

Infiniti

you can't be serious with this response LOL you are an *** clown. you typed "Someone posted dyno number showing that the ROW air boxes by themselves did nothing". you also need to settle down. I haven't seen you contribute anything to the forum other than your "godly" opinion on topics.

Ambystom01

Which would be half the gains you claimed.

Basically because people are critical of your fantastical claims, you're hiding behind this "people are haters" bull****.

LSAMG

Mazspeed

I'm not the *** clown who believes a spacer is going to make you 20 horsepower. As far as my contribution goes, I'll let all the people who thanked me speak for themselves.

Mazspeed

Because you can manipulate a dyno to let it read anything you want. That's the point of it.
When someone's trying to sell something claiming it does something putting out phony Dyno numbers is the best way to do it. And that's exactly what they did. With no independent verification whatsoever. You can manipulate a dyno reading by temperature, elevation and a number of other factors to create any kind of Dyno graph you like. It's simple.