Magic 20 whp intake spacers
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Ok this is turning into the old thread. Look I don't really care if you guys (skeptics) believe or not. Deep down I knew most wouldnt. **** it. But here's what I have issue with. All the skeptics believe in charcoal deletes, and believe in bigger outlet of row airbox. Yet removing a bigger obstruction in airflow is stupid? Also experience vs assumption. I've actually tried them, felt the difference and changed my mind. You guys talking **** are just assuming as you 0 experience with this product. Talking out your asses plain a simple. I don't know of 1 person who's actually used this a gave a bad review. Think about that.
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One reason we're shtting all over your post is because there's no real data to support any gains, only a feeling. The other reason is that the rest of us have brains, and use them to detect bullsht like this so we don't have to buy $400 magic spacers that don't do anything. Go read post #19 above, that's all anyone needs to know. You're not removing a restriction, you just don't get it at all.
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As someone without a horse in this race, from what it looks like in the pictures, I think it may be possible that these spacers free up some power PURELY because it removes or reduces the blockage from the bottom of the filter. It's true, the volume of air going through the velocity funnel is the same, regardless of the spacer. But, by raising the filter element, it looks like they're (UPD) smoothing the air flow going through the intake allowing the most air possible to flow through the given volume of the intake. Do I think its 20 hp worth of change? No, absolutely not... However I won't rule out the possibility of this making a slight difference due to flow, alone.
Can someone please chuck this on a dyno and give us some concrete evidence?!
Edit: Nevermind... looks like this thread just died during the hour i was away at a meeting lol.
Can someone please chuck this on a dyno and give us some concrete evidence?!
Edit: Nevermind... looks like this thread just died during the hour i was away at a meeting lol.
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I made my own for free using the old rubber from the old air filters.
It won't give you 20hp,maybe 2hp at 7000 rpms and at 120mph but every little thing helps.
You got taken hard if you think this gave you any power and it's amazing how true a sugar pull works if you believe it.
Heck I did full headers and basically everything you can do to our cars and it probably made 40whp but I could barely feel it as I was already at 450+whp. I even sometimes thought I lost power but I picked up 4mph in the 1/4 mile and you sound like you made more power and feeling than we doin going full bolt ons lol.
I can't wait to hear what you say when you tune it lol
Do us a favor.go log it and post before and after maf readings to see if you are in fact getting more flow up top.i think I have maxed out our setup before going to the sls intake(I have made a offer on one)and curious to see how much flow you are at.
I'm at 366 gs/sec now but that is with 400 cell ceramic cats.im putting in 200cell metallic cats that flow over 500 cfm and will see if my bottleneck is my cats I put in.
If anyone wants some cats I have 2 sets for sale.300 cell metallic and 400 cell ceramic.
My goal is 370gs/second
Edit...you will definitely feel a difference changing the stock filters and especially if they are old and dirty going to a dry filter and that might be what your feeling right now.
I know I felt the pedal a little more snappy and crisp going to row boxes and pro dry filters!
It won't give you 20hp,maybe 2hp at 7000 rpms and at 120mph but every little thing helps.
You got taken hard if you think this gave you any power and it's amazing how true a sugar pull works if you believe it.
Heck I did full headers and basically everything you can do to our cars and it probably made 40whp but I could barely feel it as I was already at 450+whp. I even sometimes thought I lost power but I picked up 4mph in the 1/4 mile and you sound like you made more power and feeling than we doin going full bolt ons lol.
I can't wait to hear what you say when you tune it lol
Do us a favor.go log it and post before and after maf readings to see if you are in fact getting more flow up top.i think I have maxed out our setup before going to the sls intake(I have made a offer on one)and curious to see how much flow you are at.
I'm at 366 gs/sec now but that is with 400 cell ceramic cats.im putting in 200cell metallic cats that flow over 500 cfm and will see if my bottleneck is my cats I put in.
If anyone wants some cats I have 2 sets for sale.300 cell metallic and 400 cell ceramic.
My goal is 370gs/second
Edit...you will definitely feel a difference changing the stock filters and especially if they are old and dirty going to a dry filter and that might be what your feeling right now.
I know I felt the pedal a little more snappy and crisp going to row boxes and pro dry filters!
My car last night logged 426 g/s in third, from what i was told weight affects my numbers due to load.
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with complications i went 11.8 @119 in 1300ft DA. That same c63 did 11.7 @121 and beat me the same night and a night after when my car was pulling timing. last night the outcome was different still have a few more things to work out. i wanna go back to putting a car length on him before i go back to the track and get disappointed again for the 30th time.
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Not taking my ball and going home. Just not going to waste time doing before and after dynos so people can still discredit it. Or make stupid post like Mazda saying it was rigged. Not worth the effort seriously. Black still needs to eat a sneaker from previous thread. As numbers were provided. Got work to do. Will reply to stupid post this afternoon.
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Not taking my ball and going home. Just not going to waste time doing before and after dynos so people can still discredit it. Or make stupid post like Mazda saying it was rigged. Not worth the effort seriously. Black still needs to eat a sneaker from previous thread. As numbers were provided. Got work to do. Will reply to stupid post this afternoon.
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Yes the numbers were bull****. Completely made up, much like your story of the car jumping and being fun to drive as if it wasn't before. Those spacers don't work. I told them I would dyno a par, I never got them. figure that one out for yourself. It's not hard to do 3 quick runs on a dyno, input some correction numbers, put the spacers in, or not put the spacers in, run some slightly different correction numbers like temperature variation and get the desired result and post. By the way, removing air blocks would help, but this is not doing that. Someone posted dyno number showing that the ROW air boxes by themselves did nothing, then he did the filters and got the few hp gains we see with them. These spacers don't have a thing to do with gaining airflow in the manifold pocket. It doesn't magically inject air into the manifold any faster since it's the engine itself pulling the air in. Air is there and the spacers relieve nothing as far as blockages, or anything else. AMG's race cars don't use anything like this in this engine. None of their race cars have a spacer or have extended the base for the size in which the spacer is taking. I checked. Nothing. You would think that a if they could gain an advantage they would run this, but they don't. You know why? Because it doesn't work. There is no independent data showing any gains. None. You can believe these magic spacers work, but don't try and peddle that crap thinking you will find a sucker.
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Not taking my ball and going home. Just not going to waste time doing before and after dynos so people can still discredit it. Or make stupid post like Mazda saying it was rigged. Not worth the effort seriously. Black still needs to eat a sneaker from previous thread. As numbers were provided. Got work to do. Will reply to stupid post this afternoon.
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I can't remember what I changed but my logs were all over the place.
The most I saw was 366 at 7k and it was 30 degrees out.
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Well ROW air boxes are a completely different topic... I don't think his comment has anything to do with the difference between ROW vs. US spec boxes. The design of a ROW box is different than that of a US spec box. The velocity funnel at the end of the box has a different shape which creates a better flow of air into the manifold and the MAFs are calibrated differently, if I'm not mistaken... Apples to oranges and all that other jazz...
With that being said, he's simply implying that that moving the top of the air box upwards, fractions of an inch, shouldn't net that MUCH of a gain... Because if it did, you would see race teams and engineers hop all over this idea...
With that being said, he's simply implying that that moving the top of the air box upwards, fractions of an inch, shouldn't net that MUCH of a gain... Because if it did, you would see race teams and engineers hop all over this idea...
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I don't think your log on your car is accurate.i get weird logs depending on app and finally get consistent logs with all the settings I changed.
I can't remember what I changed but my logs were all over the place.
The most I saw was 366 at 7k and it was 30 degrees out.
I can't remember what I changed but my logs were all over the place.
The most I saw was 366 at 7k and it was 30 degrees out.
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Precisely the reason I'm saying **** it to posting before and after numbers. Even if shows gains of 8-15whp people will discredit it. So what's the point. This thread is for the few people who are/were thinking about trying this out. Do it, its worth it. Contact shardul and he'll give you good deal. Great guy to work with.
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you can't be serious with this response LOL you are an *** clown. you typed "Someone posted dyno number showing that the ROW air boxes by themselves did nothing". you also need to settle down. I haven't seen you contribute anything to the forum other than your "godly" opinion on topics.
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Precisely the reason I'm saying **** it to posting before and after numbers. Even if shows gains of 8-15whp people will discredit it. So what's the point. This thread is for the few people who are/were thinking about trying this out. Do it, its worth it. Contact shardul and he'll give you good deal. Great guy to work with.
Basically because people are critical of your fantastical claims, you're hiding behind this "people are haters" bull****.
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you can't be serious with this response LOL you are an *** clown. you typed "Someone posted dyno number showing that the ROW air boxes by themselves did nothing". you also need to settle down. I haven't seen you contribute anything to the forum other than your "godly" opinion on topics.
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When someone's trying to sell something claiming it does something putting out phony Dyno numbers is the best way to do it. And that's exactly what they did. With no independent verification whatsoever. You can manipulate a dyno reading by temperature, elevation and a number of other factors to create any kind of Dyno graph you like. It's simple.