Ceratec with oil change
10-28-2018, 05:11 PM
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OK chief .
Soooo it's a friction modifier , they can both protect more and give better fuel economy .
Guess protection is the desirable factor given mpg isn't of concern when driving a C63 .
229.5 upgrade to 229.52 !
Same protection but better economy and aging thickening .
Better still for protection VW 504.00 507.00 or
for the ultimate in protection a ester marketed racing oil like ( trying to think of the American market ) Motul 300V .
Soooo it's a friction modifier , they can both protect more and give better fuel economy .
Guess protection is the desirable factor given mpg isn't of concern when driving a C63 .
229.5 upgrade to 229.52 !
Same protection but better economy and aging thickening .
Better still for protection VW 504.00 507.00 or
for the ultimate in protection a ester marketed racing oil like ( trying to think of the American market ) Motul 300V .
10-28-2018, 05:34 PM
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229.5 is what MB says to use for our cars. Many use oils off the list including myself, but do so at their own risk.
Motul 300V doesn’t have a sufficient additive/detergent package for street use unless you like changing oil every couple hundred miles.
Motul 300V doesn’t have a sufficient additive/detergent package for street use unless you like changing oil every couple hundred miles.
10-28-2018, 06:13 PM
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Most ester racing are good for a year , they still have detergents and dispersants obviously not in the concentration of a LongLife oil .
Whereas VW 504.00 507.00 has .
A ester racing should be fine though as nowhere the amount of soot like a diesel for the oil to contend with .
Whereas VW 504.00 507.00 has .
A ester racing should be fine though as nowhere the amount of soot like a diesel for the oil to contend with .
10-28-2018, 06:33 PM
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Most ester racing are good for a year , they still have detergents and dispersants obviously not in the concentration of a LongLife oil .
Whereas VW 504.00 507.00 has .
A ester racing should be fine though as nowhere the amount of soot like a diesel for the oil to contend with .
Whereas VW 504.00 507.00 has .
A ester racing should be fine though as nowhere the amount of soot like a diesel for the oil to contend with .
https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...c-229-5-a.html
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10-28-2018, 07:13 PM
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Thanks , some clued up responses there with knowledge of oil basestock groups and centiStokes.
Still a blinkered view of 229.5 , lol .
Surprised Lubrizol's Relative Performance Tool didn't come into play .
Still a blinkered view of 229.5 , lol .
Surprised Lubrizol's Relative Performance Tool didn't come into play .
10-28-2018, 08:44 PM
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Can you explain how 300V could protect the engine for a year? No need to dumb anything down. Go full nerd...
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10-28-2018, 10:29 PM
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Actually BITOG has a VOA on Motul 5W-40 300V and the starting TBN is a robust 11.0. That'd be good beyond a 10k street miles UOI for sure. Conventional wisdom had it at less than half that number so it might be a new development...or not.
10-29-2018, 11:07 AM
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What about all the missing detergents?
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10-29-2018, 03:21 PM
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The most recent (two years ago) VOA posted on this oil showed calcium at 2026. By comparison a same-time period VOA of X-Cess 5w-40 tested 2723. To put it all in perspective here some numbers from the 2014 Russian Oil Club mega-test 0f 229.5 5w-40's:
MB OEM 229.5 - 2488
Mobil 1 Formula M - 1732
Pennzoil Platinum Euro - 2248
Pennzoil Ultra Euro - 2635
Petronas Syntium 3000 - 2644
Total Quartz 9000 Energy - 2792
MB OEM 229.5 - 2488
Mobil 1 Formula M - 1732
Pennzoil Platinum Euro - 2248
Pennzoil Ultra Euro - 2635
Petronas Syntium 3000 - 2644
Total Quartz 9000 Energy - 2792
10-29-2018, 03:58 PM
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10-29-2018, 04:22 PM
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People, I read much about 0w40 or 5w40 for the m156 engine, both are approved by 229.5.
my question: I live in Western-Europe with normal temperatures, in summer I go with the car on vacation to Eastern europe (35/40 degrees temperatures)
What oil you guys recommend for my m156 engine, in according to my regio (Western Europe with normal temperatures), can't find a direct answer on this.
my question: I live in Western-Europe with normal temperatures, in summer I go with the car on vacation to Eastern europe (35/40 degrees temperatures)
What oil you guys recommend for my m156 engine, in according to my regio (Western Europe with normal temperatures), can't find a direct answer on this.
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10-31-2018, 05:20 PM
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Sorry, didn't see your comment. From what I've seen most of the majors have moved away from using magnesium - it can sometimes be abrasive - and who wants to take a chance with that? When I saw the recent 300V VOA I was surprised by the "streetability" of the formulation which mow is much more in line with the 229.5 oils. Whether it makes a difference or not I also like that there's a strong level of moly factory-blended.
01-21-2019, 11:06 PM
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Any harm in changing the oil out and then adding in the Cera Tec maybe 100km later? Got a service today and won't be able to pick up the Cera Tec for a couple days.
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01-21-2019, 11:47 PM
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You really shouldnt need an engine flush as long as you maintain the car. They run pretty clean. At 86k when they opened mine up to do the headbolts, there was no sludge. It was all shiny n oily. Why run the car with something other than the oil it was designed for? Also, I add the ceratec in the middle. I do 4 bottles of oil, then ceratec, then top off the oil. It helps mix it all in, in my opinion.
01-22-2019, 08:00 AM
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People, I read much about 0w40 or 5w40 for the m156 engine, both are approved by 229.5.
my question: I live in Western-Europe with normal temperatures, in summer I go with the car on vacation to Eastern europe (35/40 degrees temperatures)
What oil you guys recommend for my m156 engine, in according to my regio (Western Europe with normal temperatures), can't find a direct answer on this.
my question: I live in Western-Europe with normal temperatures, in summer I go with the car on vacation to Eastern europe (35/40 degrees temperatures)
What oil you guys recommend for my m156 engine, in according to my regio (Western Europe with normal temperatures), can't find a direct answer on this.
Ceratec would do the same job , they use boron in it. reduce friction is important , and this engine model in general, in C clas i its updatet cams and stuff from 2013.. And not use 0 40,, this one use 5 -40
