Originally Posted by Dima

must've been lost in translation, not only does any glass in the roof add weight, but it messes with the center of gravity. Even the acoustic glass option on c43 adds weight.
Note that most sports don't came with glass roof and even sunroof is no cost option.

Originally Posted by Uncle D

Have you driven the AWD CLA 45 and found it lacking or are you dismissing it because the lower spec CLAs are FWD? Curious on how you arrived at C43 > CLA 45.

Originally Posted by flocons

I think AzureSL was alluding to the fact that ALL CLA models are FWD until something causes it to be AWD. In 'normal' full traction driving, They are FWD cars, and that's what AzureSL doesn't like. I totally agree with that sentiment. Drive a SQ3 vs Macan S: Same platform, one is front-biased, the other is rear biased. HUGE difference.

Originally Posted by eatmydust

Chrome rear diffuser but black exhaust tips?? Haha interesting. Mistake?

Originally Posted by AzurSL

Exactly! Hence why many BMW M cars have the option for a carbon roof. I was absolutely shocked to see that MB wasn’t offering any type of carbon or slick roof for the new C63. It would help a lot to get rid of that insane amount of extra weight compared to the previous C63.

Originally Posted by flocons

Is stock C63 roof steel or alum? If it was a full powered sunroof, you're looking at a 50lbs weight savings max when going to carbon. I think both steel and alum represent smaller differences; I probably wouldn't say "insane" amounts, but the range would be moderate to significant.

Originally Posted by AzurSL

Not sure if it is steel or aluminum. The number I’ve heard multiple times from MB was that the panoramic roof (including all the motors and added packaging) added ~ 150 lbs to the car on the W205 (slick top). This means that the difference between a Pano roof C63 and a carbon or slick top roof is probably north of 50 lbs and probably passed 100. I didn’t say it would be an “insane” amount in reduction (although 100 is definitely sizable), I said the new C63 gained an insane amount of weight compared to the previous gen.

I really think MB should’ve taken some better measures to help lower the weight of the C63. The new W206 (C43 aside) has gained a lot of weight, primarily through its construction. Many things that were once aluminum like the doors on the W205 are now steel again like they once were on the W204. Considering how expensive the new C63 is going to be, I really think they could’ve tried a little harder to keep the weight down. They say it’s to keep costs down but the result is a heavier car. The new C43 has a lighter engine, transmission and 4Matic system compared to the previous gen, yet it weighs pretty much the exact same because all the weight reductions are nullified.

Originally Posted by eatmydust

Chrome rear diffuser but black exhaust tips?? Haha interesting. Mistake?

Originally Posted by W205C43PFL

Mess up happens, see the thread in the GLE sub-forum of left side being GLE 53 tips and the right side being GLE 63 tips.

Originally Posted by BenjaminKohl

There were rumors that that was photo shop.

Originally Posted by BenjaminKohl

For those interested - MB Easton in Columbus Ohio just posted 5 C43s for sale new that are actually pre production cars, a few built in November 2021 and a few in Februaury 2022, vin numbers 34152, 34153, 34157, 40168, and 40171. They have some really interesting configurations. Two have nappa leather interiors that will be exclusive to the C63 (one has 861 black nappa with yellow stitching and one has 878 Titan Grey/Black Nappa Leather w/ Black & Red Stitching), all but one have lane departure warning as a standalone option, one has a small HEPA filter code P53, two have the air balance fragrance thing, one has heated back seats, one has side and rear sunshades and this thing called Engine rest heat usage, and all of them have a credit for missing XM radio and one has a credit for missing rear side airbags. Plus the cars which have the optics package, the perfoemance seats, and the carbon package don't have them as packages but as the individual components as standalone options. Interesting.

Originally Posted by W205C43PFL

Dealer specs I guess, which are always weird.

Hmmm, so residual heating for the cabin? (activated through the Rest button?)

Originally Posted by BenjaminKohl

What do you mean by dealer specs?

Yes, I believe it is the REST Button. This is the same thing I had seen on a few of the very early production "prototype" C300s I had seen a few weeks ago.

Originally Posted by Mayur999

Hahha. I wish it was the other way around actually like the old C43s. Chromes tips with black diffuser stands out better.

Originally Posted by W205C43PFL

As in cars that dealerships order based on what they think the market wants, and those spec of cars are not ideal from what I seen.

I see, I mean the Rest button is available in many countries, it allows you to press it and walk away of the vehicle allowing the residual heat/cold to maintain the cabin temperature in summer/winter. It is also something that was used in order to dry the a/c system to prevent mold growth (suggested by forum members here).

Originally Posted by W205C43PFL

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I am also confused why MB went back to steel doors instead of keeping aluminum were people complaining about the doors being too light or the closing sound wasn't as nice as W204?

Originally Posted by W205C43PFL

Is it just in the MBUSA market or it isn't available in Germany as well?

Originally Posted by BenjaminKohl

For those interested - MB Easton in Columbus Ohio just posted 5 C43s for sale new that are actually pre production cars, a few built in November 2021 and a few in Februaury 2022, vin numbers 34152, 34153, 34157, 40168, and 40171. They have some really interesting configurations. Two have nappa leather interiors that will be exclusive to the C63 (one has 861 black nappa with yellow stitching and one has 878 Titan Grey/Black Nappa Leather w/ Black & Red Stitching), all but one have lane departure warning as a standalone option, one has a small HEPA filter code P53, two have the air balance fragrance thing, one has heated back seats, one has side and rear sunshades and this thing called Engine rest heat usage, and all of them have a credit for missing XM radio and one has a credit for missing rear side airbags. Plus the cars which have the optics package, the perfoemance seats, and the carbon package don't have them as packages but as the individual components as standalone options. Interesting.

Originally Posted by AzurSL

Definitely interesting! It’s like those weird spec pre production C300s we saw on the normal W206 forum. Same dealer?

Originally Posted by BenjaminKohl

Well, in that case these aren't dealer specs - these are pre production cars, built before the new C43 was even revealed to the public. Probably used internally by MB for testing and signing off on things.

And yes, it unfortunately hasn't been available on many recent MB models in the US. Seems like a neet feature to have. TO prevent the a/c mold though, what I so is shut off the A/C but keep the fan on about 60 seconds before turning off the car. It's worked well for me.

Originally Posted by AzurSL

To cut costs. The new CEO’s agenda has all be about cutting costs and boosting profits. Using steel is apparently much cheaper. This is also why we see less and less colors being offered, less options, option trim line grouping, piano black everywhere and no buttons, also a drop in quality and reliability. Unfortunately last time MB cut costs 2 decades ago it didn’t seem to go too well, the same story seems to be writing itself again.

Originally Posted by BenjaminKohl

No, different dealer. Honestly I keep track of a lot of pre production MBs that end up going out for sale, but few are as interesting as these C Classes I've seen. Just the W223 S Classes are more interesting. But lot's of differenr dealerships pick up these cars.