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I think AzureSL was alluding to the fact that ALL CLA models are FWD until something causes it to be AWD. In 'normal' full traction driving, They are FWD cars, and that's what AzureSL doesn't like. I totally agree with that sentiment. Drive a SQ3 vs Macan S: Same platform, one is front-biased, the other is rear biased. HUGE difference.
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Chrome rear diffuser but black exhaust tips?? Haha interesting. Mistake?
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I think AzureSL was alluding to the fact that ALL CLA models are FWD until something causes it to be AWD. In 'normal' full traction driving, They are FWD cars, and that's what AzureSL doesn't like. I totally agree with that sentiment. Drive a SQ3 vs Macan S: Same platform, one is front-biased, the other is rear biased. HUGE difference.
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Hahha. I wish it was the other way around actually like the old C43s. Chromes tips with black diffuser stands out better.
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Exactly! Hence why many BMW M cars have the option for a carbon roof. I was absolutely shocked to see that MB wasn’t offering any type of carbon or slick roof for the new C63. It would help a lot to get rid of that insane amount of extra weight compared to the previous C63.
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Is stock C63 roof steel or alum? If it was a full powered sunroof, you're looking at a 50lbs weight savings max when going to carbon. I think both steel and alum represent smaller differences; I probably wouldn't say "insane" amounts, but the range would be moderate to significant.
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Not sure if it is steel or aluminum. The number I’ve heard multiple times from MB was that the panoramic roof (including all the motors and added packaging) added ~ 150 lbs to the car on the W205 (slick top). This means that the difference between a Pano roof C63 and a carbon or slick top roof is probably north of 50 lbs and probably passed 100. I didn’t say it would be an “insane” amount in reduction (although 100 is definitely sizable), I said the new C63 gained an insane amount of weight compared to the previous gen.
I really think MB should’ve taken some better measures to help lower the weight of the C63. The new W206 (C43 aside) has gained a lot of weight, primarily through its construction. Many things that were once aluminum like the doors on the W205 are now steel again like they once were on the W204. Considering how expensive the new C63 is going to be, I really think they could’ve tried a little harder to keep the weight down. They say it’s to keep costs down but the result is a heavier car. The new C43 has a lighter engine, transmission and 4Matic system compared to the previous gen, yet it weighs pretty much the exact same because all the weight reductions are nullified.
I really think MB should’ve taken some better measures to help lower the weight of the C63. The new W206 (C43 aside) has gained a lot of weight, primarily through its construction. Many things that were once aluminum like the doors on the W205 are now steel again like they once were on the W204. Considering how expensive the new C63 is going to be, I really think they could’ve tried a little harder to keep the weight down. They say it’s to keep costs down but the result is a heavier car. The new C43 has a lighter engine, transmission and 4Matic system compared to the previous gen, yet it weighs pretty much the exact same because all the weight reductions are nullified.
I am also confused why MB went back to steel doors instead of keeping aluminum were people complaining about the doors being too light or the closing sound wasn't as nice as W204?
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For those interested - MB Easton in Columbus Ohio just posted 5 C43s for sale new that are actually pre production cars, a few built in November 2021 and a few in Februaury 2022, vin numbers 34152, 34153, 34157, 40168, and 40171. They have some really interesting configurations. Two have nappa leather interiors that will be exclusive to the C63 (one has 861 black nappa with yellow stitching and one has 878 Titan Grey/Black Nappa Leather w/ Black & Red Stitching), all but one have lane departure warning as a standalone option, one has a small HEPA filter code P53, two have the air balance fragrance thing, one has heated back seats, one has side and rear sunshades and this thing called Engine rest heat usage, and all of them have a credit for missing XM radio and one has a credit for missing rear side airbags. Plus the cars which have the optics package, the perfoemance seats, and the carbon package don't have them as packages but as the individual components as standalone options. Interesting.
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Probably then there were also rumours stating it wasn't photoshop, not sure what the consensus was for that.
There is also this mistake from factory so not impossible that it the mismatched exhaust tip was from factory.
https://mbworld.org/forums/gle63s-gl...ar-bumper.html
There is also this mistake from factory so not impossible that it the mismatched exhaust tip was from factory.
https://mbworld.org/forums/gle63s-gl...ar-bumper.html
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For those interested - MB Easton in Columbus Ohio just posted 5 C43s for sale new that are actually pre production cars, a few built in November 2021 and a few in Februaury 2022, vin numbers 34152, 34153, 34157, 40168, and 40171. They have some really interesting configurations. Two have nappa leather interiors that will be exclusive to the C63 (one has 861 black nappa with yellow stitching and one has 878 Titan Grey/Black Nappa Leather w/ Black & Red Stitching), all but one have lane departure warning as a standalone option, one has a small HEPA filter code P53, two have the air balance fragrance thing, one has heated back seats, one has side and rear sunshades and this thing called Engine rest heat usage, and all of them have a credit for missing XM radio and one has a credit for missing rear side airbags. Plus the cars which have the optics package, the perfoemance seats, and the carbon package don't have them as packages but as the individual components as standalone options. Interesting.
Hmmm, so residual heating for the cabin? (activated through the Rest button?)
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Yes, I believe it is the REST Button. This is the same thing I had seen on a few of the very early production "prototype" C300s I had seen a few weeks ago.
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I see, I mean the Rest button is available in many countries, it allows you to press it and walk away of the vehicle allowing the residual heat/cold to maintain the cabin temperature in summer/winter. It is also something that was used in order to dry the a/c system to prevent mold growth (suggested by forum members here).
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They obviously have the ability to miss match parts, so honestly they should be able to let us spec our cars like this or like that. If it’s possible, might as well let us!
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As in cars that dealerships order based on what they think the market wants, and those spec of cars are not ideal from what I seen.
I see, I mean the Rest button is available in many countries, it allows you to press it and walk away of the vehicle allowing the residual heat/cold to maintain the cabin temperature in summer/winter. It is also something that was used in order to dry the a/c system to prevent mold growth (suggested by forum members here).
I see, I mean the Rest button is available in many countries, it allows you to press it and walk away of the vehicle allowing the residual heat/cold to maintain the cabin temperature in summer/winter. It is also something that was used in order to dry the a/c system to prevent mold growth (suggested by forum members here).
And yes, it unfortunately hasn't been available on many recent MB models in the US. Seems like a neet feature to have. TO prevent the a/c mold though, what I so is shut off the A/C but keep the fan on about 60 seconds before turning off the car. It's worked well for me.
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To cut costs. The new CEO’s agenda has all be about cutting costs and boosting profits. Using steel is apparently much cheaper. This is also why we see less and less colors being offered, less options, option trim line grouping, piano black everywhere and no buttons, also a drop in quality and reliability. Unfortunately last time MB cut costs 2 decades ago it didn’t seem to go too well, the same story seems to be writing itself again.
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No, different dealer. Honestly I keep track of a lot of pre production MBs that end up going out for sale, but few are as interesting as these C Classes I've seen. Just the W223 S Classes are more interesting. But lot's of differenr dealerships pick up these cars.
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Well, in that case these aren't dealer specs - these are pre production cars, built before the new C43 was even revealed to the public. Probably used internally by MB for testing and signing off on things.
And yes, it unfortunately hasn't been available on many recent MB models in the US. Seems like a neet feature to have. TO prevent the a/c mold though, what I so is shut off the A/C but keep the fan on about 60 seconds before turning off the car. It's worked well for me.
And yes, it unfortunately hasn't been available on many recent MB models in the US. Seems like a neet feature to have. TO prevent the a/c mold though, what I so is shut off the A/C but keep the fan on about 60 seconds before turning off the car. It's worked well for me.
I see, that works too.
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To cut costs. The new CEO’s agenda has all be about cutting costs and boosting profits. Using steel is apparently much cheaper. This is also why we see less and less colors being offered, less options, option trim line grouping, piano black everywhere and no buttons, also a drop in quality and reliability. Unfortunately last time MB cut costs 2 decades ago it didn’t seem to go too well, the same story seems to be writing itself again.
but then again, people associate heaviness as better built/construction so it is a double edged sword.
That said, not spending money of R&D on reducing a vehicle's weight like already mentioned is cost-cutting as well. These cars are in need for a diet...
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I just went on their website and I see the cars. I hope they post pictures of them. I wonder how it goes selling these pre production cars. Do they discount them or let the buyer know? I remember shortly after the VW Dieselgate scandal, VW was caught selling preproduction cars that they weren’t allowed to. Apparently they hadn’t been certified for safe road use and they had been assigned fake vin numbers and sold illegally.