Dima

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...e63-v8-return/

superswiss

Yeah, read that this morning. Just a rumor for now I suppose, but given the lukewarm reception of a 4-cylinder C63, not much of a surprise.

places

Thank God! Great news, this helps restore my faith in the brand. The 4 pot experiment turned out to be a failure. I see those values falling off a cliff.

AzurSL

To me this makes sense as to why they are dragging their feet on the US release. Wouldn’t be surprised if they delay delay delay and eventually cancel like they did with the EQC.

Edit: what annoys me is that MB kept saying another reason for the 4 pot was the fact that literally nothing else fit in the engine bay. I had a hard time believing that considering the front end grew a lot over the previous gen. Now, if it really is just “minor bodywork” to fit the V8, then it makes them look just that much more stupid deciding to fit a 4 banger in their in the first place. Even with the hoops they have to jump through for the emissions regulations, they should’ve known no one wanted a 4 pot C63.

NewYorkRanger

Pretty much kills sales for 2024 and 2025, likely realized it was coming anyways.

ILoveNY

maybe they will just not bring these to the US?

ILoveNY

it seems that decision making at MB now is a mess.

I wonder how long Ola is staying at his position

CarlosAMGBR

Thank the ****ing heavens.
Got banned from AMG Private Lounge for spouting the truth. I guess someone woke up.
AMG is back on my to buy list. Now, I would gladly swap any of my antique AMGs for these new V8 beasts. AMGs have to have V8s, no stupid 4cil engine.

AzurSL

Hopefully not much longer

places

Agree, they clearly have lost their way. For the first time in 25 years I can't find a single MB product that excites me enough to make a move. I really hope they go back to what made AMG special and exclusive. Once they went to fake quad exhaust tips, they lost me.

CarlosAMGBR

I agree 110%.
I have been a guy who lusted over AMG and M cars for long, before I bought my first one (an A-45 AMG). Then I switched back and forth between a ton of AMG (W212 E 63 4Matic, W213 E 63 AMG, CLS 63 AMG, C 63 AMG, G 63 AMG) & M Cars (M6 F06, M5 F90, X6 M G02), and always loved them. In the end, I grew so disappointed with the brand that I went back to the roots and got 2 "old" gen AMGs after selling my W213 E 63 AMG. None of the new cars excite me. I don't want a ton of idiotic screens and stupid functions that don't work. I want a Mercedes, with its traditional Mercedes build quality, its leather, its awesome V8. I guess someone woke up to what Mercedes really stands for.

I don't understand why they tried to change branding (at least here in Brazil, brand new Mercedes now cost 40% over a brand new BMW), and try to drown us with stupid stuff the usual Mercedes buyer couldn't give two craps about. Someone really lost track of reality at Mercedes, but I guess they are heading back towards their origins.

WolfpackC63

Glad to see them doing the right thing. Still baffles me that anyone had any interest in buying a 4 banger AMG sedan.

Still worried about weight implications. Also will the V8 be wed to AWD?

ILoveNY

4 banger maybe reserved for 35 43 45 in the future? I think it's fine

SilverBullet18

it will be called the C65...to denote the more powerful engine and output (like SL65, S65, ETC). hoping they dont do the full hybrid stuff and maybe that mild 48v system to keep weight down since 4wd looks to be the way to go.

C65 AMG (no official sources but a educated guess! )

Rahulio1975280C

Likely to be AWD to have competitive 0-60 times with other internal combustion engine brands.
Likely to be a PHEV, so emissions numbers can come down.
Likely to weigh much more than the old W205 C63 due to battery and electric motor weight.
Likely to sound super muffled due to a restrictive exhaust noise compliance rule. (also gas particulate filters)
Likely to cost over $100,000K for a C-Class.

However, it will have a V8 for one final time!!!!!!!! So there is still something really positive to look forward to, if they actually do it. So far, this is all just a rumor and its not like the European Union rules that painted AMG into this mess of a corner are suddenly gone. Noise levels will continue to be more restrictive, fuel prices will continue to be taxed more by environmentalists, emission regulations will get more and more strict. So engines are still being driven out by half the very vocal population of the world, but at least we have a chance to enjoy one last generation of V8 madness in the C-Class! (again, if they actually do it)

Dima

Per AMS
According to a report by "Car and Driver" citing AMG insiders, the C63 and E63 will again be equipped with a V8 engine from 2026 - specifically with a 4.0-liter hybrid V8 with two turbochargers. Allegedly, the AMG community is not enthusiastic about the C63 with the hybrid four-cylinder and the upcoming E63 with a straight-six as a plug-in hybrid.Mercedes-AMG: C and E class without V8

Two sources tell the magazine the M177 eight-cylinder will return in the two models from 2026, converted to Euro 7. Only minor body changes are required to accommodate the eighth. Other media also report that there is already approval for the V8 for the upcoming CLE in AMG trim (see slideshow).

auto-motor-und-sport.de also asked around at AMG and encountered general shaking of heads. "This is pure nonsense," said an employee familiar with product development. The engine design for the AMG versions of the C and E classes and the CLE remains the same.

Conclusion

We now have to disappoint many fans of the eight-cylinder. The rumors that the V8 is making a comeback in the AMG C and E class are simply wrong.

SilverBullet18

Amg will not acknowledge the v8 is true. They wouldn't be able to move/sell the 4 pot hybrid.

It's in their best interest to keep it hush until the unveiling. Deny, Deny.

places

I can’t imagine Mercedes would come out and commit this early while they still have to sell the current 4 pot and 2026 is a long ways to go. The fact that C&D would even announce this means there has to be something going on at AMG, at the very least in discussions. The 4 pot has clearly been a failure with mixed reviews and lagging 43 sales. The 63 will prove no better, particularly at its targeted price point when optioned up.

Dima

C43 has been a failure only with people who haven't driven the car at all, never mind on the track. 3 major German magazines were impressed with its driving dynamics and a famous car racer 'gercollector' compares it to m3: Most German youtube reviewers who've driven on a track also prefer to m340 at least. C63 on the other hand is being criticized by the same reviewers though.
C43:
"das bett gehe weiterhin verdient
schwierig also
für mich ist es eher
eher vergleichbar wenn man jetzt wie du
schon sagst in die richtung
bmw 3er bmw den m3
verhalte sich alleine steht und das soll
es auch dann 340 enormen genau wo du"

superswiss

At this point they don't seem to have anything to lose. According to the latest report, the sales of the C63 are close to zero. Nobody wants it.

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/r...m3-219401.html

CarlosAMGBR

The thing is how many times do you get to experience the improved dynamics of the C43 over the M340i? How many times do you experience the engine and its exhaust and response ?

This is what always made AMG sell, they may not have the best dynamics but on a day to day basis, they were always more fun, exciting and exhilarating to drive. Now the new 4 pot versions are just ****e.

I have owned a A45 AMG in the past. I bought that because I couldn't afford a real V8 AMG at the time. If I had the money for a V8 AMG, I would never have bought it. It was an entry car. That is how the 4 pot should be, it should not be placed in a C63 and tarnish its reputation.

places

The C43 doesn’t have the same expectations the 63 has, no one really cares. The C63 was always a pinnacle car in the AMG lineup and has now become a massive let down. As for the M340, that’s considered an “M Lite” and not a true M. A large chuck of that buyer base simply wants a 3 series with a six in it. The B58 is a marvelous engine. The M is simply an additive. Most of these buyers don’t track their cars or care. Comparing the 43 to an M3 is nonsensical, entirely different league, I can’t imagine those markets overlapping. Looking at inventory levels, 43’s seem plentiful and easily discounted whereas the 340 requires an allocation and order in most markets. They’re not easy to find and rarely discounted.

If I had to choose between a C43 or C63, I would opt for the 43. I just don’t see the value proposition for the new 63, the car itself is virtually pointless.

superswiss

The W206 C43 is definitely a step up from the W205 C43. The latter has largely been a rebadged C450. From now having an actual AMG engine to using the MCT transmission it is more of an AMG than it was before. They clearly had to hold back, too, by not giving it 4Matic+. That would have probably made the C63 look even worse. But I agree, nobody really cares about the C43, because it wasn't anything special, no offense to anyone.

Dima

Well, it's pointless to argue with people who haven't driven a car but have a set opinion.
Let's go argue about the movie you haven't seen, but you're sure it's bad because main role is played by an actor you don't think would be a good fit.

taphil

The AMG 43 series didn't need to go full fat real AMG. It should have just stayed as a fake AMG with the V6, no hybridization, no battery. Solid and reliable 400hp was the nice compromise between base engine and real AMG.