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M5 is out and is priced almost the same to the new c63. V8 hybrid, way better engine, interior. How anyone can justify getting the new c63 now is beyond me.
With a 2.5 ton curb weight, I can't really get on board with either one. Watched the review below yesterday. The power to weight ratio is worse than the previous M5 and it struggles with managing the weight. As he concludes, BMW M hasn't ruined the M5 as opposed to AMG with the C63, but they haven't made it better, either.
I mean M5 competes with E 63 S, not sure why we would say the prices are the same when they (C 63 and M5) are not the same tier.
Indeed. The M5 is a segment above the C63. It's bigger and even heavier. I watched the Straight Pipes review and it was completely overshadowed by their German Autobahn excitement. As somebody who has lived the German Autobahn for many years, these hybrid performance vehicles are made for it. That's where they make the most sense to me. I concur with them, the weight doesn't matter on the Autobahn. You are just blasting mostly straight ahead. Even the new GT 63 S E Performance makes a ton of sense to me as a long distance rocket on the German Autobahn. The Autotrader review is more for those who don't live in Germany where we have speed limits and we have to get the fun from the agility of the vehicles and that's where the weight starts to come to the surface.
Last edited by superswiss; Oct 26, 2024 at 04:44 PM.
went to the bmw dealer and next to it is a Benz dealer. 124k $ msrp for the new m5 that is on the way, $106k for the c63. For me I'd rather spend the little extra to get the new m5, better interior, better engine, m5 has better electric range for short trips to the grocery. $18k to 25k is nothing when you're paying over 100k for a car, for me at least. But then again I can get a very low milage f90 m5 comp for less than the new c63. I see absolutely no good reason for anyone to buy the new c63 is the point I wanted to make when I made this thread. If you're a die hard Mercedes fan and got that extra f u money then by all means.
I'm increasingly not seeing the point of buying any new car. Some people think we live in exciting times when it comes to cars, but the more of these abominations that are coming out, the more I think the entire car industry has jumped the shark. Regulations are resulting in truly idiotic cars, IMHO. 700+ hp and the new M5 is barely faster in a straight line, has worse power to weight ratio and is a turd around corners compared to the previous one. What exactly is the progress here? Super complicated powertrains that nobody really dares to own past the warranty, so we are entering an even worse throwaway society. No different with pure EVs. Aside from the instant torque, there's nothing interesting about them and the values are dropping like a rock as a consequence. They are like smartphones in the sense that nobody cares about last years model anymore. I just read part of an interview with Lewis Hamilton where he said how he stopped buying super/hyper cars after his last purchase of two AMG Ones, one for himself and one for his dad, because modern super/hyper cars are just kinda sad and he recommends that enthusiasts buy classic cars that still offer a unique experience. I'm with him on that. If somebody like Hamilton, who drives fast cars for a living and essentially has the means to buy any car he wants, thinks modern cars suck, then it's definitely over. Every time I drive my C63 I keep thinking there's nothing I'd rather have and I hope it's gonna hold up for a while longer. This might be the last car I bought mostly for fun.
I'm increasingly not seeing the point of buying any new car. Some people think we live in exciting times when it comes to cars, but the more of these abominations that are coming out, the more I think the entire car industry has jumped the shark. Regulations are resulting in truly idiotic cars, IMHO. 700+ hp and the new M5 is barely faster in a straight line, has worse power to weight ratio and is a turd around corners compared to the previous one. What exactly is the progress here? Super complicated powertrains that nobody really dares to own past the warranty, so we are entering an even worse throwaway society. No different with pure EVs. Aside from the instant torque, there's nothing interesting about them and the values are dropping like a rock as a consequence. They are like smartphones in the sense that nobody cares about last years model anymore. I just read part of an interview with Lewis Hamilton where he said how he stopped buying super/hyper cars after his last purchase of two AMG Ones, one for himself and one for his dad, because modern super/hyper cars are just kinda sad and he recommends that enthusiasts buy classic cars that still offer a unique experience. I'm with him on that. If somebody like Hamilton, who drives fast cars for a living and essentially has the means to buy any car he wants, thinks modern cars suck, then it's definitely over. Every time I drive my C63 I keep thinking there's nothing I'd rather have and I hope it's gonna hold up for a while longer. This might be the last car I bought mostly for fun.
100% with you on driving the 205 c63. I'm keeping mine permanently as long as no one crashes into me. Every else can be replaced once they're worn out. I've seen a few new gt and while it does look very good, it just doesn't excite me. Contrast to every time I see another 205 c63s, amg gtr, s63. I'd get super excited. The design, the sound, the way they drive. Especially the c63 coupe and gtr, the long hood just oozes classic sport car, muscle car proportion. That goes for all the car brands. Everything I said only applies to car people. In my experience from friends and families, a lot of them are not car people and the new generation of car really impressed them with the tech, ambient lighting and the touch screen. They don't care about the weight, how the steering feel, how the car handles, they care about the power figures, interior tech and bragging rights, "My car is 800hp, it cost 150k, and look at all these tech".
100% with you on driving the 205 c63. I'm keeping mine permanently as long as no one crashes into me. Every else can be replaced once they're worn out. I've seen a few new gt and while it does look very good, it just doesn't excite me. Contrast to every time I see another 205 c63s, amg gtr, s63. I'd get super excited. The design, the sound, the way they drive. Especially the c63 coupe and gtr, the long hood just oozes classic sport car, muscle car proportion. That goes for all the car brands. Everything I said only applies to car people. In my experience from friends and families, a lot of them are not car people and the new generation of car really impressed them with the tech, ambient lighting and the touch screen. They don't care about the weight, how the steering feel, how the car handles, they care about the power figures, interior tech and bragging rights, "My car is 800hp, it cost 150k, and look at all these tech".
Yeah, while the new GT embodies much of what I like about my C63 it is also mostly a lateral move. Same basic architecture and underpinnings with stuff added that I don't particularly care for such as AWD. All just adds weight.
Totally agree that things are different for non-car people. That's always been the case. 90+% of cars you see on the road are essentially dull means of transportation, so the tech gives them some excitement for the owner. Especially in North America, most people need a car to get around, so it's very different if you depend on something vs. it being mostly a toy.
'06 MB S55 AMG; '04 Audi Allroad 4.2; '05 BMW M3 Conv.; '92 MB 500E
I missed the part of world history where people started pretending BMW M did anything better than Mercedes AMG. I'm reading "way better engine" and I'm thinking "yeah until it breaks." But I guess here we are. Carry on.
I'm increasingly not seeing the point of buying any new car. Some people think we live in exciting times when it comes to cars, but the more of these abominations that are coming out, the more I think the entire car industry has jumped the shark. Regulations are resulting in truly idiotic cars, IMHO. 700+ hp and the new M5 is barely faster in a straight line, has worse power to weight ratio and is a turd around corners compared to the previous one. What exactly is the progress here? Super complicated powertrains that nobody really dares to own past the warranty, so we are entering an even worse throwaway society. No different with pure EVs. Aside from the instant torque, there's nothing interesting about them and the values are dropping like a rock as a consequence. They are like smartphones in the sense that nobody cares about last years model anymore. I just read part of an interview with Lewis Hamilton where he said how he stopped buying super/hyper cars after his last purchase of two AMG Ones, one for himself and one for his dad, because modern super/hyper cars are just kinda sad and he recommends that enthusiasts buy classic cars that still offer a unique experience. I'm with him on that. If somebody like Hamilton, who drives fast cars for a living and essentially has the means to buy any car he wants, thinks modern cars suck, then it's definitely over. Every time I drive my C63 I keep thinking there's nothing I'd rather have and I hope it's gonna hold up for a while longer. This might be the last car I bought mostly for fun.
100% with you on driving the 205 c63. I'm keeping mine permanently as long as no one crashes into me. Every else can be replaced once they're worn out. I've seen a few new gt and while it does look very good, it just doesn't excite me. Contrast to every time I see another 205 c63s, amg gtr, s63. I'd get super excited. The design, the sound, the way they drive. Especially the c63 coupe and gtr, the long hood just oozes classic sport car, muscle car proportion. That goes for all the car brands. Everything I said only applies to car people. In my experience from friends and families, a lot of them are not car people and the new generation of car really impressed them with the tech, ambient lighting and the touch screen. They don't care about the weight, how the steering feel, how the car handles, they care about the power figures, interior tech and bragging rights, "My car is 800hp, it cost 150k, and look at all these tech".
I fully agree with just keeping an old car but as much as we want to keep an old car, MB makes it difficult, for example they force some sort of planned obsolescence by discontinuing parts. For example, they discontinued the key for a 2016 model year car, that wasn't even a decade ago! https://mbworld.org/forums/e-class-w...continued.html
They would be more than happy to sell you a new car instead. Contributing to world wide waste, with these disposable and less repair friendly cars especially modern cars post 2019 model year.
I get it, smartphones/electronics started this planned obsolescence and denial or challenging to repair and cheaper to replace than replace trend long ago, ie. printers cheaper than cartridge but cars are doing the same now too and the regulations are salt on the wound. Sad times for car enthusiast for sure.
Yeah, while the new GT embodies much of what I like about my C63 it is also mostly a lateral move. Same basic architecture and underpinnings with stuff added that I don't particularly care for such as AWD. All just adds weight.
Totally agree that things are different for non-car people. That's always been the case. 90+% of cars you see on the road are essentially dull means of transportation, so the tech gives them some excitement for the owner. Especially in North America, most people need a car to get around, so it's very different if you depend on something vs. it being mostly a toy.
At that point those who buy cars because they want to go from a to b, might as well just subscribe to ride sharing. Should leave us car enthusiast alone : ( and with our toys instead of forcing us these modern disposable, complicated, heavy cars down our throats : (
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