c63canada

Mercedes have been saying that there wouldn't be a 4matic c63 but...
I just read this (published march 26 2014).

I don't know if it is a repost, sorry if it is.

The thing that gets my attention is the specifics of the numbers.

http://www.benzreport.com/c63-amg-ca...ife/#more-1373

"Autoevolution has acquired some images of the 2015 C63 AMG being thrashed around the Nurburgring as it goes through its final testing. One of the most difficult and dangerous test tracks in the world, the Nurburgring is usually a final measure for the abilities of a performance car before receiving its final checks for production.

Rumors have indicated that the C63 in its standard form will develop 476 hp and a minimum of 479 lb-ft of torque. The S version is rumored to develop 510 hp and 516 lb-ft of torque with 4-MATIC performance tuned all wheel drive ensuring every ounce of that power is laid down onto the road."

this seems to confirm a thread started a month and a half ago:

https://mbworld.org/forums/c-63-amg-...check-out.html


Now the site looks more like a site made by a dealer to get clients than anything else but still.

So are the rumors true?

Is a 4 matic s version of the c63 coming in the spring?

jarjoug

I don't think they will have a 4-matic.

-=Hot|Ice=-

I can see the AWD 'S' version.

TT C6

If MB wants to sell the most C63 models in the US, especially in the Northeast, they had BETTER offer AWD.

If I wanted a RWD daily driver, I'd retain ownership of my Corvette and CTS-V which will both BLOW the doors off any C63.

The ONLY reason I am considering the C63 is for the potential of AWD and DCT.

TTA850

I keep being told by MB people, including several at the NY Auto Show, that it will be AWD though no mention if it will be optional or standard. My hope is it's optional and part of an S package and hopefully everyone will be happy, though I'm not holding my breath and leaning towards ordering a '15 E63S. My bigger question at this point is when will we see a coupe…

zibby43

So the 2014 C63 507 hits 60 in 3.9 seconds, and covers the 1/4 mile in 12.3 seconds at 117 mph. The CTS-V also hits 60 in 3.9 seconds and covers the 1/4 mile in 12.2 seconds at 118 mph.

All of these numbers are from instrumented tests from the same publication (Car & Driver). I've provided the data and links below.

However, Motor Trend tested the '14 C63 507 at 3.8 seconds to 60 (faster than the CTS-V by a tenth) and at 12.2 seconds in the standing 1/4 mile (same as the CTS-V).

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...07_comparison/

How does that data translate to the CTS-V blowing the C63's doors off?

C63 Car & Driver:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...07-test-review

Zero to 60 mph: 3.9 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 9.2 sec
Zero to 160 mph: 27.0 sec
Rolling Start, 5-60 mph: 4.6 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.3 sec @ 117 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 176 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 156 ft
Roadholding, 200-ft-dia skidpad: 0.90 g

C63 Motor Tend:

0-60: 3.8 sec
1/4 mile: 12.2 @ 117.4 mph

CTS-V Car & Driver:

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...ac-cts-v-2.pdf

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...t-times-page-3

Zero to 60: 3.9 seconds
Standing 1/4 mile: 12.2 @ 118 mph

dremorg

Maybe....

http://www.worldcarfans.com/11404087...g-less-camo-on

Even hotter S version with more power, larger brakes and different styling both inside and out!

madmac48

I believe there will be a 4Matic for 3 simple reasons.
1.There is precedent -in that all the current ranges of AMG [non SUV]around the C have it,A,CLA,E,S.
2. On the AMG site on the page of "models" click the bar 'S' models and it clearly states they are more powerful and have "AMG performance 4Matic"
3.As mentioned above there is a huge market for AMG in NE USA [smaller but significant here in Canada] the so called "snow belt" for 4WD in cars especially high performance sedans.
I am seeing my dealer next month to put my order in on an 'S' model 4Matic.
Mac

TT C6

Magazine tests are for fan bois and dreamers.
I get my info at the track from other owners.
Spend some time at the track and you'll see what LSx cars are capable of, especially with forced induction.

With that said, if the next C63 gets AWD, DCT, and a 4.0L TT, it will be arguably the best daily driver you can buy.

If not, I'll keep my TRACK PROVEN RWD cars that will smoke any RWD C63.
I'm looking to AMG for a great four season daily driver. I already own max performance cars.

If AMG fails by not offering AWD for the C63, I'll probably put together a S6 that will bruise a few egos on the street.

zibby43

Yeah the magazine tests basically serve one purpose: to compare stock cars under standardized testing conditions.

But I agree, independent member data is always more interesting.

Post up some of your slips or lap times in either the CTS-V or C6.

There are a few W204 guys here that are in the high 11s stock. Besides, these threads get a little slow, it would be a welcome distraction.

c63canada

Lets face it. The cts v has about 100 hp more than a base c63 and wider rubber in the rear and weighs about the same or a little more, so yes the cts v will beat the c63 in straight line.

We also have to wonder if cadillac is going to step up to awd with the next cts v.

zibby43

Those 0-60 times and 1/4 mile times weren't made up. From a roll, the CTS-V is a beast and could probably pull a couple lengths on a standard C63.

Keep in mind, the CTS-V weighs 4,250-4,300 lbs. A member just weighed his LCI W204 C63 within the last week and it came in at 3,860 lbs.

It's (i.e., the CTS-V) similar in size to an E-Class and a 5-Series.

zooyorker

in my opinion there will be an AWD model. I think the prototype cars are AWD: If you watch closely how it corners, I noticed very slight understeer which could account for AWD.

I just really want to know why the rear arches are not flared like the front ones. Reminds me of the Audi RS3 which also featured this… and didn't have a particularly pretty 3/4 because of that!

TT C6

Forced induction trumps NA, unless you're dealing with lightweight track weapons.
If you spent any time at a track, you would know that.

These aren't lightweight track weapons.
They are heavy luxury performance sedans which require 2 things:
#1. BIG power
#2. AWD traction

zibby43

I think you should stop assuming things about me. I've spent plenty of time on the track in my day (mostly in tuned BMWs). And I'm a member at one of them.

TT C6

BMW + Track = LMFAO

zibby43

You're right. What have they ever accomplished on the track?

Let's see, recently . . . in 2013, BMW clinched its second consecutive manufacturers' championship at the season finale at the Hockenheimring.

-=Hot|Ice=-

I was at the Baltimore Grand-Prix last year. BMW finished with a podium spot. It was 3rd, but they got on the podium. 1-2 were, well ironically, Corvettes. It was an awesome race.

zibby43

Very nice. On a related note, I've been impressed with how Mercedes is doing in F1 thus far. Definitely a good sign for the brand.

TT C6

WTF does a F1 with a "BMW" logo on it have to do with the production cars we are able to actually purchase?
NOTHING.

Furthermore, we are talking about LUXURY performance SEDANS.
F1 cars have NOTHING to do with the luxury performance sedans we buy.

BMW cars have gotten more and more fat and diluted over the years.
"M" has lost it's way.
BMW is a joke.
AMG has dethroned M.

Now, if AMG can just give us a new 220lb lighter C63 with performance 4matic, DCT, and a FI engine with more potential than the previous N/A V8, then the new C63 will be the ultimate daily driven performance sedan.
Once they do that, BMW will be dead in the water.

zibby43

First of all, I didn't post a picture of an F1 car (BMW doesn't participate in F1 at the moment; hasn't since 2009). I posted a picture of a DTM car. That's why I made a comment about BMW winning the manufacturers' championship.

I'm not being sarcastic when I ask this but did you even read my post? There's no way someone could mistake a DTM car for an F1 car.

And second, the DTM cars have to share a certain amount of similar equipment with their production siblings. And the designs of the DTM cars are based off of the production cars.

The new F80 M3 is hardly "fat." It's the only M3 ever to be lighter than its predecessor. Might want to check your facts.

But, since you brought up F1, an entirely different class of racing than DTM, I figured I would share this: The AMG Head Tobias Moers was just recently interviewed. He was asked if Mercedes F1 technology would filter down into the AMG production cars and he said YES.

On the subject of F1, Top Gear asks Moers if we’ll see any trickle-down from the firm’s racing operation to its road cars. The answer is an unequivocal ‘yes’. “A good example of the transfer of tech from F1 to the road cars, is the battery for the SLS Electric Drive,” he says.

And the SLS Electric Drive is a just fast luxury GT. Not a thoroughbred sports car. But apparently, Moers doesn't know what he's talking about. He only manages the AMG brand.

By the way, this is what an F1 car looks like:

OC6.3AMG

Not sure if anyone cares about the actual original topic any more, however talked to an AMG tech today and he stated that ALL future AMGs will have the AWD version available to order. I specifically asked about the upcoming C63 and he simply asked back; wouldn't you love to drive a SLK55 4Matic?

Now I'm not too sure about the details AMG techs would have here in OC, as he could've been just pulling my chain. I for one would love to have a C63 with 4Matic, especially now that I've replaced my C350C with an S4.

zibby43

Your tech doesn't know what he's talking about lol.

Not your fault though.

TT C6

When I asked about AWD for the next C63 at the NYC show, the reps said AWD was coming to the SL and SLK.

If that's the case, the C63 had BETTER get AWD.

I think AWD should be an option for ALL cars, even though I think a sedan should get it before a convertible coupe and I would prefer my coupe to be RWD and my sedan to be AWD.

TT C6

No, I don't read you posts, because I find them to be worthless, and usually factually incorrect.
Case in point, the M3 weight figures that BMW is using to promote the new M3 have already been proven to be be B@LL $H#T by independent scales. They were using dry weight figures.

But, you're right about one thing, I barely looked at your pic, I just saw BMW and a wing on an OBVIOUS race car and couldn't stomach giving your post any more consideration.