Jabes

I owned the W204 C63 Coupe, which I loved. It was undriveable in the british winter that we had and after three years I switched back to Audi and got an RS5.

I like my RS5 but I loved the AMG. If the new one had been AWD I would have jumped straight back on board.

I have two children (7 and 5), it's awkward to get them in the back of the RS5 with car seats, so we mainly take my wifes car when we go on family trips.

I'd appreciate some thoughts from others:
I'm thinking that there probably won't be an AWD C63 in this generation, so no point waiting for that?
Not sure how different the coupe will look, so perhaps not worth waiting for that? And anyway, 4-door might be more practical for me.

This kind of leaves me to the conclusion that maybe I should just buy one and be done with it.

Jabes

Has anyone got a previous generation C63 Saloon vs Coupe so I can see how much the styling changed?

OC6.3AMG

Since you don't get the E63 S-AMG 4M in UK, why not just go with the Audi RS4?

Bardman

You seem confused.

I don't really understand the logic behind getting a new C63 when you said your old one was undriveable in winter.

I also don't understand why you would consider waiting for a coupe when you have hassles with your current coupe and 2 kids.

If I understand your situation well, you should buy an AWD, one with 4 doors.

As to which AWD, dollar for dollar the RS6 is a better car than the RS4, so if your budget stretches that far, then I would go with the RS6.

Mike3

just google it lol

Jabes

Oh, I am conflicted for sure. I'm kind of glad it came across. But you have opened me up to ramble on!

Ok. Two factors here - my love of my old C63, notwithstanding trouble in the snow, pulling me towards the AMG. The fact that my Audi has been in the shop for many problems and whilst I don't blame Audi for all of these and I have owned 3 other audis from new with no problems, my local dealership has proved to be quite awful. I won't be buying a new Audi.

If the C63 had been AWD, it would be on pre-order again.

So, after some soul searching I wondered what I would get that fitted into the performance AWD category that wasn't an Audi and kind of came up short.

So that brought me back to the C63 again. If I accepted the fact that it wasn't good in snow, but mitigated it by fact my job has changed slightly and I do much more on the train and can work from home more. I didn't have the limited slip diff before, and I didn't have winter tyres. The new model comes with a LSD, and I could get some winter tyres. Would that be enough I wonder?


I love the coupe look and we have a second car. But the kids are getting older and they love to travel in my car, but they aren't old enough to travel with just booster seats yet (or at least, I'm not happy). 4 doors would be better than 2 in this regard, if the lines weren't compromised too much
If I understand your situation well, you should buy an AWD, one with 4 doors.

The decision is not particularly about budget. Sadly, given I have owned 4 new audis (2 'S' and one RS) it has reached a bit of a sad place where I won't consider Audi for my next car. But there it is.

Your thoughts are very welcome, I don't know many people to talk through high powered german cars with :-)

Best wishes
James

Jabes

Your google fu must be better than mine. I can't find two similar C63 4-door and coupe in the same kind of colour. I'll bet there is a publicity shot out there which shows the differences, but can't find it either.

My feeling from looking at them differently is that there wasn't a huge difference, but thought someone might have something which gave an idea of the family similarities

OC6.3AMG

check this out:

http://www.notcot.org/post/55523/

frank69m

guess that would be hard to do with AWD :-)

AV1

Bit of a curve ball thrown in for the OP, but have you considered perhaps the new W205 AMG C450


It is a 4 door sedan.
It has AWD.
It will have excellent performance and lots of future tunability.
It is more affordable than the C63 and any of the Audi RS models, although you did mention that budget is not an issue

Yogujuhere

Thats a really good option. Although, I dont think there will me much as far as tunability is considered. I don't think there will be too much more power available on that engine. Remember, the C450 setup will be on the higher end of being strung out (the V6 turbo C400 already being uptuned to the C450 power level). As far as tunability, there are a lot more factors to consider such as whether for the C450 they will be changing the turbos to larger turbos, fueling, etc.

Im currently mulling over the C450 and the C63... that C63 is pricey and AWD is a huge factor.

Alas, I remember the days the M3 used to be 44g's lol.

coladin

You are nuts to drive the C63 without winter tires.

If I can drive my C63 in a frigid snowbelt country, like Canada, you in England with proper winter wheel/tires is a piece of cake. Go get your C63, my goodness, no winter tires?

Your welcome and go get the love of your life ( on wheels) back!

Axxlrod

How about a porsche 911 C4? AWD, and 5 and 7 year old kids will fit in the rear seats, for a while anyway. You could stop feeding them...

Jabes

Now that is an interesting option to consider. Not on the UK Mercedes configuration tool (nor is the C400)

Jabes

Ok, that's decided. Either the C63 (S?) with winter tyres or the C450 AWD. It'll depend on lead times more probably because I'm now sick to death of my Audi dealership.

Thanks very much everyone! ;-)

Thrilla

I understand your dilemma. An AWD 4-door AMG that's not an E63? Take a serious look at the GLA 45 AMG. I'm heavily considering it as an adequate replacement for my C63 since it can handle any weather.

AV1

As far as tune-ability of the new 3.0ltr TTV6 W205 AMG C450 is concerned it'll have just as much on offer as any of the new turbo charged MB engines, across the board with turbo charged engines it's usually a case of + 20% over stock power and torque levels with simple tunes only


Performance wise in stock standard trim in the C400 and E400 run a low 5sec to 100km/h (I've driven an E400 and it's surprisingly quick) I have no doubt the upcoming C450 will be in the high 4sec zone stock which means that with a basic tune it'll be down in the low 4 sec region - that's as fast as a stock 204 series C63 and another benefit will be much reduced fuel burn compared to the V8's - if that's important at all.


Either way you now have a multiple choice on offer

almoamg

We don't get the AWD C or E in th uk.

I run C63 with winter tyres and LSD up here in Scotland throughout the winter. No issues and perfectly driveable in snow and ice.

Tjdehya

I disagree. The C450 is just a tuned C400. So when tuned, it should max out at the same power as a tuned C400. That is the case for the E63/E63S. I expect the C63/C63S and GT/GTS to be the same.


That "20% over stock" doesn't necessarily apply to engines that have already been tuned by Mercedes.

AV1

I cannot agree or disagree with the above because simply as per other threads on this topic of tuning we still don't know enough about this new V6 TT powerplant (and also the M177) ie. turbo type, stock boost psi, mass airflow specs etc. etc. to make an accurate assessment of achievable power increases.


I certainly don't believe it's been "maxed out" with a reported rating of around 280kw up from the 245kw of the C/E400 for the upcoming C450 variant, most if not all more recent factory forced inducted engines out there which are running software only tunes are at or well over 100kw/ltr.


Some people were adamant not so long ago that the M133 2.0ltr AMG unit at 265kw/450nm running 26psi was "maxed out" well currently with aftermarket tuning which also involves an inlet mod and the use of pump ethanol based fuel as well as software it is now at 335kw/610nm that's an increase of over 26% in power and an increase of over 35% in torque compared to stock.


With the newer V6 and V8 we'll just have to wait and see what happens

Global Autosports

LakeShow23

GLA45AMG

974AGK

Never had a problem driving the two generation C63 I've had over the last 6 years in the winter.
Actually passed my Brother one morning in his 4WD
Even he was amazed how the car changed with winters.

Unfortunately now I've sold the C 63 and went for a M5 Jahre Edition S 600BHP , don't quite think this will be so much fun as the C 63.
I'm still undecided on whether the new 2015 C63 ticks the boxes?
the Local dealer couldn't advise on any of the models when I wanted the CLS 63 Edition S 4Wd not coming to UK I was told Bah
Cheers
Eck