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Hi guys, new member here. Has anyone been able to find a resolution to this? I want pops and crackles
Hi Unfortunately no real solutions. Race mode allows you the best chance to get them and sport + you can get them at above 4500 rpm. Otherwise nothing much. Touching the exhaust can lead to problems in power and warranty. Tuning it might help but not sure if you want to go down that path.
I would think a simple flash tune could solve the issue with the pops or crackles, or maybe just removing the resonator would do the job, once the car is broken in I will be experimenting!
I would think a simple flash tune could solve the issue with the pops or crackles, or maybe just removing the resonator would do the job, once the car is broken in I will be experimenting!
I dont believe this would solve the issue, Tune possibly. Resonator only would make the car sound loud and doing that on a 85k car, i dont see the point of. But go for it!
Forget the option code. The car has the filter. It also explains why the car sounds the way it does vs a pre-facelift
I suppose we only know for sure once somebody takes the exhaust apart, but deductive reasoning suggests that US builds don't have the filter. Let me explain. It's clearly not yet a worldwide integral part of the exhaust system such as the catalytic converters, otherwise it wouldn't show up with its own option code on European builds. Given that it has an option code in the first place, makes it optional, albeit a standard option in Europe. The US build sheets list all the other optional and standard options that go into these cars, including the exhaust itself (U78). It makes no sense for the filter not to be listed along with everything else if it was indeed included on US builds. Why would the filter be an exception and not be listed as it is on European builds?
The quieter nature of the 2019 exhaust has two main reasons. The noise emissions in Europe are measured below 4000 rpm, and they now have to be measured with the valves open in case of valved exhaust. This latter part is a big change. Previously, the noise regulations had to only be met with the valves closed, so manufacturers had an out to make the cars louder than the regulations allowed when the valves were open. The reduced nature of the pops&bangs has nothing to do with the filter. The pops&bang are created by changing the ignition timing and letting the combustion extend into the exhaust cycle, so the air/fuel mixture continues to burn in the exhaust. This is all software and if it wasn't for the noise regulations, AMG could make this cars pop&bang how much they want below 4000 rpm, particulate filter or not. One possible reason that they don't do it could also be that the pops&bangs are not good for the filter when the car is equipped with it, but AMG might not wanna change the ECU software to deliver more pops&bangs in markets w/o the filter to reduce the potential different configurations they have to support.
I suppose we only know for sure once somebody takes the exhaust apart, but deductive reasoning suggests that US builds don't have the filter. Let me explain. It's clearly not yet a worldwide integral part of the exhaust system such as the catalytic converters, otherwise it wouldn't show up with its own option code on European builds. Given that it has an option code in the first place, makes it optional, albeit a standard option in Europe. The US build sheets list all the other optional and standard options that go into these cars, including the exhaust itself (U78). It makes no sense for the filter not to be listed along with everything else if it was indeed included on US builds. Why would the filter be an exception and not be listed as it is on European builds?
The quieter nature of the 2019 exhaust has two main reasons. The noise emissions in Europe are measured below 4000 rpm, and they now have to be measured with the valves open in case of valved exhaust. This latter part is a big change. Previously, the noise regulations had to only be met with the valves closed, so manufacturers had an out to make the cars louder than the regulations allowed when the valves were open. The reduced nature of the pops&bangs has nothing to do with the filter. The pops&bang are created by changing the ignition timing and letting the combustion extend into the exhaust cycle, so the air/fuel mixture continues to burn in the exhaust. This is all software and if it wasn't for the noise regulations, AMG could make this cars pop&bang how much they want below 4000 rpm, particulate filter or not. One possible reason that they don't do it could also be that the pops&bangs are not good for the filter when the car is equipped with it, but AMG might not wanna change the ECU software to deliver more pops&bangs in markets w/o the filter to reduce the potential different configurations they have to support.
So with this in mind, the answer seems to be within the ECU tune. I wonder if any of my local tuning companies know anything about this, might give them a call to see what they have to say. I agree with you on the fact that the filter doesn't show on US order sheets, and if it was present in the car, there's no reason as to why the code wouldn't be included.
I suppose we only know for sure once somebody takes the exhaust apart, but deductive reasoning suggests that US builds don't have the filter. Let me explain. It's clearly not yet a worldwide integral part of the exhaust system such as the catalytic converters, otherwise it wouldn't show up with its own option code on European builds. Given that it has an option code in the first place, makes it optional, albeit a standard option in Europe. The US build sheets list all the other optional and standard options that go into these cars, including the exhaust itself (U78). It makes no sense for the filter not to be listed along with everything else if it was indeed included on US builds. Why would the filter be an exception and not be listed as it is on European builds?
The quieter nature of the 2019 exhaust has two main reasons. The noise emissions in Europe are measured below 4000 rpm, and they now have to be measured with the valves open in case of valved exhaust. This latter part is a big change. Previously, the noise regulations had to only be met with the valves closed, so manufacturers had an out to make the cars louder than the regulations allowed when the valves were open. The reduced nature of the pops&bangs has nothing to do with the filter. The pops&bang are created by changing the ignition timing and letting the combustion extend into the exhaust cycle, so the air/fuel mixture continues to burn in the exhaust. This is all software and if it wasn't for the noise regulations, AMG could make this cars pop&bang how much they want below 4000 rpm, particulate filter or not. One possible reason that they don't do it could also be that the pops&bangs are not good for the filter when the car is equipped with it, but AMG might not wanna change the ECU software to deliver more pops&bangs in markets w/o the filter to reduce the potential different configurations they have to support.
Not going to argue with you because it seems no one knows 100%, but I spoke directly with Mercedes and they told me that the filter is on all cars not just for the European Cars. Whether or not the filter is the result of the pops/bangs gone below 4000 rpm, not quite sure, even though I think its a major factor, however the decrease in sound from the exhaust note (excluding cold-start) is definitely as a result of that filter. It is very annoying to constantly switch to sport +/manual mode and keep the car in gear to get it to and to stay above 4500 rpm to hear some good notes. You don't want to do it for too long to keep the car from overheating. Terrible design from mercedes.
Not going to argue with you because it seems no one knows 100%, but I spoke directly with Mercedes and they told me that the filter is on all cars not just for the European Cars. Whether or not the filter is the result of the pops/bangs gone below 4000 rpm, not quite sure, even though I think its a major factor, however the decrease in sound from the exhaust note (excluding cold-start) is definitely as a result of that filter. It is very annoying to constantly switch to sport +/manual mode and keep the car in gear to get it to and to stay above 4500 rpm to hear some good notes. You don't want to do it for too long to keep the car from overheating. Terrible design from mercedes.
Just curious, have you spoken to MBUSA or MB Germany and in particular AMG Germany? I forgot to bring this question up with AMG Germany when I was there, but anything coming from MBUSA has to be taken with a grain of salt. They have no control over the production whatsoever. They are an importer of these cars and that's about it. They regularly have to refer to Germany to get questions answered and we can only hope that they are talking to somebody in Germany who actually knows. I might try to reach out to AMG Germany one of these days as a follow up to my visit and see if I can get a more trustworthy answer. Personally, I don't care too much about it filter or not. The 2019s sound great as they are and I'm not a particular fan of artificial pops&bangs, so it's all good as it is as far as I'm concerned. The 2019s are so much improved in how they drive thanks to the new transmission, new AMG Dynamics system and the new traction control, that minor concessions in the sound are a non issue for me.
Last edited by superswiss; Sep 16, 2019 at 05:31 PM.
Just curious, have you spoken to MBUSA or MB Germany and in particular AMG Germany? I forgot to bring this question up with AMG Germany when I was there, but anything coming from MBUSA has to be taken with a grain of salt. They have no control over the production whatsoever. They are an importer of these cars and that's about it. They regularly have to refer to Germany to get questions answered and we can only hope that they are talking to somebody in Germany who actually knows. I might try to reach out to AMG Germany one of these days as a follow up to my visit and see if I can get a more trustworthy answer. Personally, I don't care too much about it filter or not. The 2019s sound great as they are and I'm not a particular fan of artificial pops&bangs, so it's all good as it is as far as I'm concerned. The 2019s are so much improved in how they drive thanks to the new transmission, new AMG Dynamics system and the new traction control, that minor concessions in the sound are a non issue for me.
Driving a v8 AMG you would want to hear the car well. Maybe its subjective, but alot of facelift owners feel the same way. But regardless, we're stuck with it and no one going to do anything about it.
* Irrelevant question -- what does c63cs mean ? c63s coupe?
Driving a v8 AMG you would want to hear the car well. Maybe its subjective, but alot of facelift owners feel the same way. But regardless, we're stuck with it and no one going to do anything about it.
* Irrelevant question -- what does c63cs mean ? c63s coupe?
It's certainly subjective. IMO, there's no lack of hearing the car with a 2019. The car is quiet with the revs kept low, which personally I like, but there's no lack of noise if you rev it. I think the issue is that some folks prefer the car to be loud at any rpm. Perhaps, it's my age or the understanding that this car is a GT that I prefer the car to only get loud if I give it the beans. The point of a GT is that you can drive it long distance in relative comfort and part of that is to not being constantly subjected to a lot of noise when cruising along. I've had the pleasure to experience this car in its natural habitat for 2 months (German Autobahn), and it was a pleasure to be able to drive triple digit speeds for hours and not walking out with hearing damage or completely worn out from the noise after 100s of miles of driving. It was a very different experience from my previous ED with my RS5, which screamed my ears full at 7000 rpm going 150+ mph. It was fun for a while, but started to get a bit old and tiring after a while.
Yes, C63CS = Coupe, C63WS = Sedan and C63SS = Wagon. It's the official abbreviation MB uses. It's how the car shows up in Mercedes Me etc.
The noise emissions in Europe are measured below 4000 rpm, and they now have to be measured with the valves open in case of valved exhaust. This latter part is a big change. Previously, the noise regulations had to only be met with the valves closed, so manufacturers had an out to make the cars louder than the regulations allowed when the valves were open.
This is a massive change! Explains why face-lift owners experience the same type of pops and bangs (as pre-facelift) at higher rpm (above 4000rpm).
It's certainly subjective. IMO, there's no lack of hearing the car with a 2019. The car is quiet with the revs kept low, which personally I like, but there's no lack of noise if you rev it. I think the issue is that some folks prefer the car to be loud at any rpm. Perhaps, it's my age or the understanding that this car is a GT that I prefer the car to only get loud if I give it the beans. The point of a GT is that you can drive it long distance in relative comfort and part of that is to not being constantly subjected to a lot of noise when cruising along. I've had the pleasure to experience this car in its natural habitat for 2 months (German Autobahn), and it was a pleasure to be able to drive triple digit speeds for hours and not walking out with hearing damage or completely worn out from the noise after 100s of miles of driving. It was a very different experience from my previous ED with my RS5, which screamed my ears full at 7000 rpm going 150+ mph. It was fun for a while, but started to get a bit old and tiring after a while.
Yes, C63CS = Coupe, C63WS = Sedan and C63SS = Wagon. It's the official abbreviation MB uses. It's how the car shows up in Mercedes Me etc.
Thats why there is comfort mode and sport mode. COmfort mode is everyday driving and can be quiet but still c63-like and sport mode should "awaken the beast".
Thats why there is comfort mode and sport mode. COmfort mode is everyday driving and can be quiet but still c63-like and sport mode should "awaken the beast".
Not quite. You can be forgiven since you haven't driven it at very high speed I assume, but let me tell you the car is literally scary at those speeds in Comfort mode. Comfort is meant for around town driving and in traffic as well as highway cruising at moderate speeds. I had to put the car in S+ on the German Autobahn to feel confident at those speeds. In fact I ended up using I* with the drivetrain in S, but AMG Dynamics in Pro, which is what S+ uses. The latter in particular gave the car the high speed confidence to not scare the crap out of me. So, the nice thing is that you can be in S+ to get the dynamics and the response, but as long as you keep the revs low it's still quiet even with the exhaust valves open. I can see that in the USA where many don't really have the opportunity to fully stretch the legs of this car that they might prefer more theatrics when driving it at 25 mph.
Not quite. You can be forgiven since you haven't driven it at very high speed I assume, but let me tell you the car is literally scary at those speeds in Comfort mode. Comfort is meant for around town driving and in traffic as well as highway cruising at moderate speeds. I had to put the car in S+ on the German Autobahn to feel confident at those speeds. In fact I ended up using I* with the drivetrain in S, but AMG Dynamics in Pro, which is what S+ uses. The latter in particular gave the car the high speed confidence to not scare the crap out of me. So, the nice thing is that you can be in S+ to get the dynamics and the response, but as long as you keep the revs low it's still quiet even with the exhaust valves open. I can see that in the USA where many don't really have the opportunity to fully stretch the legs of this car that they might prefer more theatrics when driving it at 25 mph.
IT sounds like youre in Germany even though it says youre from SF haha. But anywho, you're right. We have speed limits and traffic. We most of the time can't accelerate fast and definitely not for long stretches. Therefore the car is usually in comfort mode in the city and gets switched to sport + (/manual) on the highway at times. But its rare to ever exceed 100 due to traffic etc.
IT sounds like youre in Germany even though it says youre from SF haha. But anywho, you're right. We have speed limits and traffic. We most of the time can't accelerate fast and definitely not for long stretches. Therefore the car is usually in comfort mode in the city and gets switched to sport + (/manual) on the highway at times. But its rare to ever exceed 100 due to traffic etc.
Haha... no I actually am in SF. I did European Delivery and I am originally from Europe. I picked the car up at the factory beginning of May and stayed for two months dropping it off at the end of June. I was just reunited with it on Friday after it finally arrived at my US dealership. You have to look at these cars in the context of where they are from. These cars are designed for the German Autobahn and under European regulations first and foremost and sold in other countries secondary. A lot of Americans don't really understand the concept of a Grand Tourer. I cringe every time somebody calls the C63 a German muscle car. There is no such thing. Muscle car is an American thing.
I do use the car as a GT, which is what it is meant to be. No, I can't drive at the speeds one can drive in Germany, but I do a lot of long distance road trips and the 2019 C63 is a phenomenal long distance cruiser. I'm also lucky to have access to deserted canyon roads where I can open it up and enjoy all the noise and handling prowess w/o much fear of law enforcement. I honestly probably wouldn't own this car if I didn't have the opportunities to fully enjoy it. I was born in Switzerland originally, so my passion is ripping up and down curvy mountain roads, the likes one can find all over the Alps and thankfully here in California.
Just as an example of a road I got to drive while in Europe. This is the Stelvio pass, which is the highest paved mountain pass road in the Eastern Alps. 48 hairpins to 9000 feet elevation. This is what this car is made for.
Haha... no I actually am in SF. I did European Delivery and I am originally from Europe. I picked the car up at the factory beginning of May and stayed for two months dropping it off at the end of June. I was just reunited with it on Friday after it finally arrived at my US dealership. You have to look at these cars in the context of where they are from. These cars are designed for the German Autobahn and under European regulations first and foremost and sold in other countries secondary. A lot of Americans don't really understand the concept of a Grand Tourer. I cringe every time somebody calls the C63 a German muscle car. There is no such thing. Muscle car is an American thing.
I do use the car as a GT, which is what it is meant to be. No, I can't drive at the speeds one can drive in Germany, but I do a lot of long distance road trips and the 2019 C63 is a phenomenal long distance cruiser. I'm also lucky to have access to deserted canyon roads where I can open it up and enjoy all the noise and handling prowess w/o much fear of law enforcement. I honestly probably wouldn't own this car if I didn't have the opportunities to fully enjoy it. I was born in Switzerland originally, so my passion is ripping up and down curvy mountain roads, the likes one can find all over the Alps and thankfully here in California.
Just as an example of a road I got to drive while in Europe. This is the Stelvio pass, which is the highest paved mountain pass road in the Eastern Alps. 48 hairpins to 9000 feet elevation. This is what this car is made for.
Are you the Alfa Romeo Stelvio isn't designed for the Stelvio pass ? haha . I mean the c63 is a c63. Its even held in a higher class than the Bmw M3/M4 and I've heard even that the new facelift for them will be the same hp/torque as the c63 and possibly have the "filter" too. BMW actually removed the M3 from their website because of the emission situation. And I would love to take the car somewhere there but i have a lease and my mileage would rack up too quick.
Are you the Alfa Romeo Stelvio isn't designed for the Stelvio pass ? haha.
It's got the name from it, but it's an SUV. A great performance SUV, but it still has a much higher center of gravity than a C63, M3, Giulia etc. Certainly would still be fun driving a Stelvio up the Stelvio, but wouldn't be my first choice...
It's got the name from it, but it's an SUV. A great performance SUV, but it still has a much higher center of gravity than a C63, M3, Giulia etc. Certainly would still be fun driving a Stelvio up the Stelvio, but wouldn't be my first choice...
and by the way have you heard a maserati? It has a beautiful exhaust note to it.
and by the way have you heard a maserati? It has a beautiful exhaust note to it.
Yes, I have. They are all gonna be subject to the new noise regulations. No exceptions. In the higher price brackets some manufactures may decide to develop different exhausts for countries with less restrictions. For example Audi Sport puts a different exhaust in the facelifted R8 for the USA. The European R8 is very quiet, but gets an additional 10hp as a "make you feel better" token. There is a spy video of the new AMG GT R BlackSeries testing on the Nurburgring. Somebody posted it over in the GT forum. Take a listen to see how quiet these cars will get. Be happy the 2019 still sounds like it does.
Yes, I have. They are all gonna be subject to the new noise regulations. No exceptions. In the higher price brackets some manufactures may decide to develop different exhausts for countries with less restrictions. For example Audi Sport puts a different exhaust in the facelifted R8 for the USA. The European R8 is very quiet, but gets an additional 10hp as a "make you feel better" token. There is a spy video of the new AMG GT R BlackSeries testing on the Nurburgring. Somebody posted it over in the GT forum. Take a listen to see how quiet these cars will get. Be happy the 2019 still sounds like it does.
Yee Mercedes just decided to be the first one to implement this new "Quiet Series" and I got Pre-facelift bmws and mbs making me loook like a toyota driver lol
I'm also lucky to have access to deserted canyon roads where I can open it up and enjoy all the noise and handling prowess w/o much fear of law enforcement. I honestly probably wouldn't own this car if I didn't have the opportunities to fully enjoy it. I was born in Switzerland originally, so my passion is ripping up and down curvy mountain roads, the likes one can find all over the Alps and thankfully here in California.
Which is your favorite here in SF Bay area California? Being from the same location, I have explored few switchback canyon roads that have been awesome fun but majority in South Bay, East Bay and also south of Bay area.
Which is your favorite here in SF Bay area California? Being from the same location, I have explored few switchback canyon roads that have been awesome fun but majority in South Bay, Easy Bay and also south of Bay area.
My favorite up here is probably Skaggs Springs Rd over to Stewarts Point and then a scenic drive back on Hwy 1. Hwy 1 gets very busy towards Bodega Bay, but the initial stretch south of Stewards Point is not too bad. Another one is Mines Rd from Livermore to the Junction and then 130 out to I-5 and back to the Bay Area. 130 needs repaving, though at least last time I went out. I actually hit a pothole there once that slightly bent one of my wheels. You can also continue to Mt. Hamilton and then down to San Jose from the Junction. Occasionally I go down to SoCal to the Los Padres National Forest. CA-33/166 to Maricopa and then CA-95 to Lake of the Woods and then Lockwood Valley Rd to CA-33 and all the way to Ojai. That's probably my most favorite route, but that's a 12 hour roundtrip and I've done it multiple times in a single day. Did I mention I love going for long drives .
My favorite up here is probably Skaggs Springs Rd over to Stewarts Point and then a scenic drive back on Hwy 1. Hwy 1 gets very busy towards Bodega Bay, but the initial stretch south of Stewards Point is not too bad.
Heard about this one, but never tried this. Last weekend we made the trip on a road parallel to this one.
Mountain View Road - a winding 20-mile stretch between Hwy 1 and Hwy 128. The road was good the first 10 miles, and really terrible in the last ten. It was full of potholes and very narrow with blind curves (without lane markings). Reminded me of Kahekili Highway in Maui but instead of the dangerous cliffs, just shallow ditches on the sides of the road instead
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Another one is Mines Rd from Livermore to the Junction and then 130 out to I-5 and back to the Bay Area. 130 needs repaving, though at least last time I went out. I actually hit a pothole there once that slightly bent one of my wheels. You can also continue to Mt. Hamilton and then down to San Jose from the Junction.
This is one of my favorites in the East Bay. I usually start near the San Jose Evergreens neighborhood, take Quimby Rd to Hwy 130, Mt Hamilton, Lick Observatory, Mines Rd up North to Livermore.
Occasionally I go down to SoCal to the Los Padres National Forest. CA-33/166 to Maricopa and then CA-95 to Lake of the Woods and then Lockwood Valley Rd to CA-33 and all the way to Ojai. That's probably my most favorite route, but that's a 12 hour roundtrip and I've done it multiple times in a single day. Did I mention I love going for long drives .
I've not done this, will keep this on my list for the next SoCal visit
Some more favorites of mine in the South Bay / Peninsula / East Bay:
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