My point is, I don't want AWD when the weather doesn't demand it. Sometimes a little lack of confidence = fun.

 

I would say AMG is defined by their V8. The Red Pig was the first AMG to race, with a 6.8L V8.

 

And that's the beauty of 4Matic+ that you can put it in 2WD drift mode, completely decoupling the front axle.

 

Drive a Nismo GT-R and you might change your mind.
It rattles and is pretty rough, but fun as hell to drive and grip for days.

 

That's why you park the C63s for winter, and drive Audis.

 

This post got highjacked: it was about going from RWD to AWD and suddenly it's all about going from V8 to 6. Mods, please sort it out and split it into separate posts.

 

Actually, it was about both. Engine downsizing because the current V8 would only get more power with electrification and the possible Inline 6 for the C63 with electrification. Then the article mentions how customers want AWD.

 

Agreed. It fun having all the power but sometimes when I want to put the power down it could use help. Especially in track days.

 

Show me where it's about any of that:

Mercedes-AMG boss Tobias Moers has revealed that it plans to discontinue the rear-wheel drive configuration in favor of all-wheel drive. Speaking to Autocar, the head of Mercedes-Benz'sperformance division points to slowing demand for rear-drive cars.

"Customers have given us the answer, and most want four-wheel drive," Moers said. "Back in the days when we had an AMG E-Class as rear-wheel drive and with four-wheel drive as an option, over 90 percent chose 4WD. In the new E 63 with drift mode, you have a real rear-wheel-drive car but with four-wheel drive also." AMG's new all-wheel drive system with drift mode, which sends up to 100 percent of power to the rear wheels, should proliferate to future AMG vehicles.

Even the brand's halo sports car, the AMG GT, is expected to get all-wheel drive. "When I ask customers about the GT, they ask me about all-wheel drive. Regarding our competition, this is the downside of the AMG in terms of usability. People in Munich, for example, always, always ask for four-wheel drive - I think it's for safety and stability," stated Moers.

The news of AMG-badged vehicles moving to all-wheel drive doesn't come as a surprise because nearly every model it currently offers puts power down through all four wheels. The C 63, C 63 S, SL 63, SL 65, S 65, and AMG GT are the only rear-drive models left. Moers confirmed that the S 65 Final Edition marks the end of V-12 engines at AMG. "We're still responsible for V-12s - maybe Maybach is going to use them in the next-generation S-Class, but not AMG. Having a high-powered competitive V-12 would be a new engine, and in the new times there is no room to do that," Moers said. He also revealed that the 4.0-liter twin-turbo V-8 will only get more power through hybridization via an electric motor mounted in the rear. That hybrid system is expected next year in the AMG GT Four-Door Coupe.

With the S 65 ending production and the SL roadster about to enter a new generation, the C 63 and AMG GT could be the last AMG models to come in rear-drive configuration. Once Mercedes-Benzredesigns the C-Class, it's likely that the C 63 will join the all-wheel drive club.
Moers also confirmed that the next-generation Mercedes-Benz SL will use the current AMG GT's platform. "Totally different car - It's a sports car," he told Autocar. AMG has been tasked with running development of the next generation SL so it's no surprise that it will deviate from its current grand tourer mission and become sportier.

 

You just quoted it.

 

How can they possibly know? Even if they do give you the ticket, there is no way it would hold up in court.

 

Trust me it will. In Germany at least. If they suspect your car is too loud, they'll pull you over and measure the noise level right on the spot, then they order a tow and confiscate the car to be inspected by a qualified technician for any exhaust modifications or noise violations beyond what the car was certified for from the factory. There's a special task force in Hamburg for example that just cruises around with their windows open, looking for violators. The owner has to pay several hundred Euro just for the inspection even if it turns out that the car meets regulations. They'll get the car back a few weeks later and have to make the necessary repairs and then show up for a final inspection. The new noise regulations for example don't allow exhaust valves to open below 80 kmh anymore, so they will check if the valves opens up when the car idles and measure the noise. The USA is super lax in comparison, and many of these things don't fly here due to requirement of probably cause etc., but with these cars being manufactured by EU companies, you bet that they will follow EU regulations. Maybe the USA will get different programming that still allows the exhaust valves to be open at all times.

 

The rules are changing on everything.... and eventually will probably be all electrics anyway- but that's not anytime soon. I have been cross shopping C63S vs the (Slightly faster 6 cylinder 4WD Audi Rs5). Seems the RS5 is more "Euro Forward" in that it is a high potent 6 cylinder in place of the 8 that it had- RS5 is "quieter" than it used to be but has some nice sounds but not near the sounds the C63S puts out- but the RS5 can cut up a back road with its AWD like nobody's business. I like the looks of both but maybe the C63 even more?
Its a tough decision- they are about the same price and I am so torn- I can afford a V8 but would pick a V6 and go FASTER in the 6? AM I insane? The C63s has way more "goodies" with the excellent drive selections on the steering wheel (PERFECT) and it has the V-8 LOL.
I am so torn- both are excellent cars- both are almost identical prices- I personally like the seat comfort in the RS5... Cant go wrong either way but...

 

RS5 is "faster" in the sense that it's quicker to 60 mph. The c63 will roll past the RS5 as speed increases. I test drove every car in this segment before deciding on the c63 due to it's V8.

 

Manufacturer claims from both 0-60mph:

audi rs5 3.8 seconds

c63s coupe 3.7 seconds

 

I don’t know guys. If speed was the only factor I’d just get a Nissan GT-R or Z06. Then I’d be fast but dealing with rattles from the trans(GT-R and I know, it’s normal) or get a Z06 and learn to love the plastic everywhere.
I bought my c63s for the whole package:
Speed, handling, relatively comfortable in the normal mode setting and there is a bit of elegance to the design interior and exterior.
Leather or metal everywhere it should be and then theres that v8...enough said about that one.
I think it felt a little higher quality than the Audi and it just felt like a more fun to drive car in beast modes. I drove them both as well as looked at Cayman, ZL1, Alfa Quad, and F-Type R.
ZL1 felt cramped.
Alfa has no track record and I just didn’t trust reliability- sorry Alfa.
F-Type R didn’t have the performance it should have but looked great.
To be honest, if I had found a Cayman GT4 I might have gone that route.

 

The V8 was the deciding factor for me, too. The sound of a V8 in the background had become part of my DNA or subconscious. But why would the M5 not be on your short list? This is what I am thinking about.

 

There's no question an AWD hybrid turbo 6 cyl will be an amazing car, maybee even a better can then the v8 c63.

The problem is that it's a compromise car, compromised to satisfy more ppl in more environments and satisfy the environment itself.

And as we know, compromise cars simply are never as fun as highly focused uncompromising cars. That's just the way it is.

A ferrari 488 will always be more fun then a Ferrari California. A Porsche gt3 will always be more fun then a Macan.

The v8 c63 is probably gonna always be more fun and soul stirring then a hybrid 6. But it will likely be less capable and usable then the 6.

 

RE: M5 - I prefer a coupe. It'll be interesting what the M8 looks like but the 8-series seems to be competing with the S-class coupe at this point in terms of price so I'm sure an M8 would be $150k+.

 

On the bright side, 991.1 GT3's are coming down around the $115K mark. If I get any 6-cyl, it should be that NA flat six

 

Exactly this. Most likely going to be my next car. If it's going to be a 6, then it must be a Porsche flat 6.

 

Grab it while you can.