9 Stage traction control issues
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9 Stage traction control issues
I have a 2019 C63S Couple and I love it but have 1 complaint. When I turn the traction control all the way off it still kicks on.
Sometimes when I'm drifting sometimes my car just cuts power all of a sudden. Its really annoying because I turn traction all the way off. It doesn't happen every time.
Its also really annoying that my 503hp rear wheel drive car can't burn out because traction control is always on.
Anyone else have this issue?
Sometimes when I'm drifting sometimes my car just cuts power all of a sudden. Its really annoying because I turn traction all the way off. It doesn't happen every time.
Its also really annoying that my 503hp rear wheel drive car can't burn out because traction control is always on.
Anyone else have this issue?
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I haven't turned it off fully in my car yet, however I attended the AMG Driving Academy day a few weeks ago and we were using 2019 C63S for the skid pad. We used different levels including all the way off and it's off when it's off, however we were in Race mode, which the instructor told us to do in order to have the proper dynamics. Also, with these cars, the moment you step on the brakes it will reactivate ESP, so if you wanna drift etc. stay off the brakes.
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I haven't turned it off fully in my car yet, however I attended the AMG Driving Academy day a few weeks ago and we were using 2019 C63S for the skid pad. We used different levels including all the way off and it's off when it's off, however we were in Race mode, which the instructor told us to do in order to have the proper dynamics. Also, with these cars, the moment you step on the brakes it will reactivate ESP, so if you wanna drift etc. stay off the brakes.
So if you are drifting on the track, and say you drifted through one corner and pressed the brakes for the second corner, you won't be able to drift into the thrid corner? I thought when TC is off, it is completely off until you turn it back on.
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I should have been more clear. No that's not how it works. The ESP reactivates the moment you step on the brakes, but if you let go off the brakes it's off again. The idea being if you step on the brakes, the car assumes you are trying to stabilize it, so it helps with the ESP. Basically don't use the brakes to try to correct mid drift. Same goes if you wanna do burnouts. Don't step on the brakes while doing it, or it will intervene. I believe even if you let go of the brakes afterwards, ESP will stay active until the car is stable again. Since OP didn't say in what specific situations he feels it intervening, I thought I'd mention what's going on in the cars. But at least in Race mode, everything is off if you turn it off. We were practicing on a three corner drift course, and nothing ever intervened when all was off and between corners we were even told to use the brakes to slow the car down for the next corner and then stab on the throttle again mid corner to break it loose and then try to hold the drift. We were doing it on the wet as you do with a skid pad, so it was easier to brake traction and all of us ended up doing a 360 more than once. Nothing prevented the car from completely spinning out. Too much throttle and not fast enough with the steering wheel and we went around our own axle. OP, may also just run into a situation where the tires hook up on something grippy. I've been drifting my car in the canyons a bit around tight hairpins so far in S+, but with ESP in Sport Handling mode and as long as I control the slide it doesn't even intervene then. It only reigns it in if my drift angle gets bigger than Sport Handling mode allows.
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Also wanted to point out that the 9-stage traction control system in the 2019 pretty much never abruptly cuts power like more traditional TC systems do. Like Jeremy Clarkson once said, most TC systems feel like you get hit on the head with a hammer. That's not how this one operates. Instead of cutting power, it precisely regulates the amount of torque going to each wheel in order to maintain the percentage of slip that the current level allows for. It's one of the best things about the 2019 and I've experienced it multiple times so far. I can go WOT and if the tires don't have enough grip it smoothly dials down the torque to the wheels, so the tires develop maximum grip for the fastest acceleration possible. There's none of that cutting the power and lurching forward like most other TC systems do. Specifically we were using levels 3, 6 and completely off on the skid pad, and even in level 3 it never cut the power. It simply didn't allow for much wheel spin, so braking the rear loose was near impossible. At level 6 we could do some nice drifts already, but the tires still maintained enough grip to not completely wipe out, and then with it completely off we were on our own.
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One more thing to hopefully roundout the understanding. Strictly speaking, ESP can never really be fully turned off in the 2019+. Now this doesn't mean what you're probably thinking. The 2019+ have a new integrated driving dynamics regulation system called AMG DYNAMICS. It has four levels, basic, advanced, pro and master. It's basically ESP on steroids. It monitors what the driver does and then assists with the maneuver by anticipating how the car reacts. Basic is associated with Slippery and Comfort modes, and basically prioritizes the stability of the car, Advanced is associated with Sport, Pro with Sport+ and Master with Race, but only if ESP is in Sport Handling mode or off, otherwise AMG DYNAMICS is set to Pro even in Race mode. In Individual mode you can choose your own level, but again, Master is only active while ESP is in Sport Handling or Off. The higher up the mode, the more agile and dynamic the car gets. AMG DYNAMICS influences the steering, suspension, e-diff and torque vectoring to help the driver accomplish a certain maneuver. This is why we were told to put the cars in Race mode with ESP off as that will give the most agility and highest dynamics. The 2020+ AMG GT models also have this system. Here it is explained.
https://media.daimler.com/marsMediaS...l?oid=42956027
https://media.daimler.com/marsMediaS...l?oid=42956027
Last edited by superswiss; Oct 22, 2019 at 02:10 PM.
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Thank you for all the infomation! They are very helpfull! I have the 2021 C63S coupe. I have been following those posts where your guys were talking about burnout in a facelift c63s, but it's not very clear, did you end up fingering out how to do it? what I should do for a proper burnout? I saw a thread saying in individual mode and turn left to cancel the race start. Thank you for help!
