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Not a hater of BMWs (actually love the E46 and E92s) but I think the current gen and upcoming g80 gen have lost the magic. Yes they will be incredibly fast as they always are but I cant imagine they can match the character to our V8 C63s. Unless you are regularly tracking these cars, the minimal difference in acceleration or slightly faster track times just does not matter. End of the day, I judge a car by how excited I am to wake up every morning and drive it and if it puts a smile on my face when I get in and hit the 'Engine Start' button. Just my two cents. Cheers!
Apparently the G80/82 porked up quite a bit from the F80/F82. BMW is saying the new G-series M models are about 160 KG heavier than last gen - that’s a not-so-insignificant 350 lb increase over the F80/82. It wouldn’t surprise me if the AWD models (whenever they come out) will be knocking on 4000 lbs.
I think the M3 is the one to get, the M4 looks like an awkward smaller 8-series and doesn’t appear wide since the fenders aren’t flared as much to accommodate the wider stance. I love the wide body look of the M3 (it’s almost the opposite of what we have with the C63 sedan and Coupe), but the front of the car is still really polarizing.
I’m sure we’ll get used to it - they’ll be everywhere like always with the M3/M4.
S55 and S58 engines are not naturally balanced and every time I hear one (with after market exhaust or not) I wish I could turn off my hearing.
Don't think either would sound good but I would put my money on AMGs 4 cylinder over BMW M inline 6 with that awful design, any/every day.
Wow dude. You're seriously comparing 4 banger to inline 6? More power to you. All modern 4 cyl sound and feel terrible AMG or not. You keep assuming I am talking about sound alone. It's how they feel and respond.
Plus they are a hell lot more balanced than a 4 banger.....
Well I am glad the 4 cyl in the C63 is just a rumour. Let's leave it at that. Im still sure Mercedes will create an excellent platform so let's hope they dont follow the same dreadful path as BMW. The v8 is synonymous with AMG, thus it is more likely than not they will fit in another V8 for us. Even with stricter regulations for the current w205 platform they managed it while all the other manufacturers downsized to Inline 6 / V6. AMG is sure to have something for us in store.
Wow dude. You're seriously comparing 4 banger to inline 6? More power to you. All modern 4 cyl sound and feel terrible AMG or not. You keep assuming I am talking about sound alone. It's how they feel and respond.
Plus they are a hell lot more balanced than a 4 banger.....
In all fairness, a lot of this will be eliminated by the new E-turbo and the electric motor. The initial response to throttle input will be instantly delivered by the electric motor and the E-turbo will have no lag. The response could actually be and most likely will be superior to the BMW's I6.
Originally Posted by thadoggfatha
Well I am glad the 4 cyl in the C63 is just a rumour. Let's leave it at that. Im still sure Mercedes will create an excellent platform so let's hope they dont follow the same dreadful path as BMW. The v8 is synonymous with AMG, thus it is more likely than not they will fit in another V8 for us. Even with stricter regulations for the current w205 platform they managed it while all the other manufacturers downsized to Inline 6 / V6. AMG is sure to have something for us in store.
Unfortunately, not just a rumor anymore. The specs have been leaked.
Maybe its just a version of the c63 denoted "c63e" and we will get a normal c63/c63s? Who knows... we will have to wait and see before we use this as conclusive evidence.
In all fairness, a lot of this will be eliminated by the new E-turbo and the electric motor. The initial response to throttle input will be instantly delivered by the electric motor and the E-turbo will have no lag. The response could actually be and most likely will be superior to the BMW's I6.
Unfortunately, not just a rumor anymore. The specs have been leaked.
I guess time will tell regarding the feel and response. 4 cyl is a big no go for me personally. They could've thrown 700 hp for all I care. Just like plenty of people will buy the new M3/M4, same will happen here.
Maybe its just a version of the c63 denoted "c63e" and we will get a normal c63/c63s? Who knows... we will have to wait and see before we use this as conclusive evidence.
I wish that would be so, but unfortunately not. All AMGs will be electrified moving forward, we know this much as it has already been confirmed, along with all AMGs getting 4Matic+. They'll get the 'e' to sort of keep the name, but denote that they are different.
Interesting the direction the German big 3 companies are going. I am quite astonished to say the least especially with the American brands going bigger. There currently are rumours of the Z06 getting a 5.5 litre flat-plane crank engine and ZR1 with this engine + batteries. The GT500 is a 5.2L Supercharged making 760HP. While I am not opposed to electrification I just feel that this may be a misstep for them to go with a 4 cyl hybrid for the "C AMG". I just dont see how AMG will compete with the C going 4 cyl hybrid. However, if anything surely they will at the least get the design right... In terms of electric cars I believe Tesla is launching the "Model S Plaid" with over 1100HP and 0-60 under 2 seconds". Maybe its time to pick up a W205 now before all the fun is gone!
Interesting the direction the German big 3 companies are going. I am quite astonished to say the least especially with the American brands going bigger. There currently are rumours of the Z06 getting a 5.5 litre flat-plane crank engine and ZR1 with this engine + batteries. The GT500 is a 5.2L Supercharged making 760HP. While I am not opposed to electrification I just feel that this may be a misstep for them to go with a 4 cyl hybrid for the "C AMG". I just dont see how AMG will compete with the C going 4 cyl hybrid. However, if anything surely they will at the least get the design right... In terms of electric cars I believe Tesla is launching the "Model S Plaid" with over 1100HP and 0-60 under 2 seconds". Maybe its time to pick up a W205 now before all the fun is gone!
This is pretty much forced on them by the German government and the EU as a whole. All driven by average fleet CO2 emissions. Starting next year it's 95 g/km and then it's going down to something like 60 g/km. I forgot the exact number. AMG is currently at somewhere between 130 and 140 g/km average. Just to give you an idea of the problem here, the current C63/C63S spews out 250 g/km. Along with the SUVs these cars are pushing Daimlers average way too high. If they don't meet these targets, they are subject to billions of Euro in fines. As much as we hate it, the direction they are taking is unavoidable. The end goal is all electric.
The engine in the new M3/M4 (and X3M and X4M), are much better sounding than the S55 engine in the F-series. I can tell you it sounds a hell of a lot better than AMG’s new turbo 4-banger... no amount of magic (electric turbocharging included) will change that.
I honestly think AMG is losing their essence. Ever since they took the base C400 and literally overnight rebranded it as an AMG C43 with no changes other than badges, I knew AMG was pushing for sales in lieu of driving experience.
I will take the G80 M3 with a straight six over a C63e with a 4 cylinder all day... what the hell is the point of downsizing engine displacement, pistons, etc. when you’re adding the weight back in the form of electric motors and batteries? Probably not even enough to offset the weight of the 4matic+ they’ll also be adding to the W206 C63e.
If the W205 didn’t come with a V8, it would have never made my shortlist 5 years ago when it came out. Even an Audi RS5 with the hot-V turbo V6 is more compelling than a 4-cylinder electric turbo.
As much as I dislike the front end and those hood nostrils, I would still take it over whatever AMG plans with the W206. Hey AMG, make that 4-cylinder scream to 9000 rpm and take a “F1” inspired approach and you MIGHT have a winner. Otherwise, just by a new A45S, tune it, and call it a day.
Just had a question, I know its a bit off topic but... Is anyone here considering getting outside the realm of Audi, BMW, Mercedes for there next car? Lately I have looked hard into the idea of getting into an American/other competitor. There are a-lot of compelling examples of cars that fit the bill. ZL1 Manual, GT350, C8Z06, GTR, Giulia QV, Charger/Challenger Hellcat, etc. There are plenty of options here and would love to hear the things which are stopping you from making the switch?
Just had a question, I know its a bit off topic but... Is anyone here considering getting outside the realm of Audi, BMW, Mercedes for there next car? Lately I have looked hard into the idea of getting into an American/other competitor. There are a-lot of compelling examples of cars that fit the bill. ZL1 Manual, GT350, C8Z06, GTR, Giulia QV, Charger/Challenger Hellcat, etc. There are plenty of options here and would love to hear the things which are stopping you from making the switch?
Just had a question, I know its a bit off topic but... Is anyone here considering getting outside the realm of Audi, BMW, Mercedes for there next car? Lately I have looked hard into the idea of getting into an American/other competitor. There are a-lot of compelling examples of cars that fit the bill. ZL1 Manual, GT350, C8Z06, GTR, Giulia QV, Charger/Challenger Hellcat, etc. There are plenty of options here and would love to hear the things which are stopping you from making the switch?
I've owned a Giulia QV and 2 different GT350's. Both great cars but lacking in tech and luxury.
All of the styling aside, when it comes to performance and the after market, I read that the M3 With the manual transmission had to reduce torque from the prior model due to the transmissions power limitations. That certainly does not Bode well for it being able to handle increased power from the after market. Will be interesting to find out of that is due to the clutch Or the internals.
One of the greatest things about the W205 C63 is that it can handle power increases very well.
All of the styling aside, when it comes to performance and the after market, I read that the M3 With the manual transmission had to reduce torque from the prior model due to the transmissions power limitations. That certainly does not Bode well for it being able to handle increased power from the after market. Will be interesting to find out of that is due to the clutch Or the internals.
One of the greatest things about the W205 C63 is that it can handle power increases very well.
Tuning aspirations aside, yeah they are throwing a bone to the manual transmission crowd, but like with the M5s before and Porsche with the 718 GT cars they are just grabbing whatever is in the parts bin instead of developing a new manual transmission for these cars. It ends up being a compromise. In case of the 718 GTs the gears are way too long for the street and sounds like for the new M3/4 they have to reduce torque to not blow up the old transmission.
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