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Old Sep 7, 2021 | 09:23 AM
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I was shocked to get result this after travelling yesterday and no it wasn’t downhill

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Old Sep 7, 2021 | 09:30 AM
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take it to the dealer - something wrong with it - maybe lost a few cylinders along the way.
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Old Sep 7, 2021 | 10:24 AM
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take it to the dealer - something wrong with it - maybe lost a few cylinders along the way.
Ha ha, nah running on all 8, just goes to show what can be got if you don’t awaken the turbos too much, don’t forget this is on UK gallon
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Old Sep 7, 2021 | 10:29 AM
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Ha ha, nah running on all 8, just goes to show what can be got if you don’t awaken the turbos too much, don’t forget this is on UK gallon
If its not the car than its you - you torture your car, should never have that high MPG. .
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Old Sep 7, 2021 | 11:38 AM
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If its not the car than its you - you torture your car, should never have that high MPG. .
I don’t know what you mean, I was just driving normally, I’ve had 5 of these and I certainly know how to drive the things, on my return journey I never exceeded 90 mph with just a few full bore throttle and for the total journey there and back it returned 35.7mpg so it did come down a bit, I can’t explain it although I did have it once before on my previous C63, all I can think of it was the fresh tank of Shell V Power 99 octane but I use that all the time so I don’t know, I must emphasise this is UK gallon not the smaller US one.
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Old Sep 7, 2021 | 11:41 AM
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I don’t know what you mean, I was just driving normally, I’ve had 5 of these and I certainly know how to drive the things, on my return journey I never exceeded 90 mph with just a few full bore throttle and for the total journey there and back it returned 35.7mpg so it did come down a bit, I can’t explain it although I did have it once before on my previous C63, all I can think of it was the fresh tank of Shell V Power 99 octane but I use that all the time so I don’t know, I must emphasise this is UK gallon not the smaller US one.
haha, no worries, don't break a sweat...I am just sarcastic and pull your strings a little ;-) .... and I never got more than 22 and that was babying it all the way.
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Old Sep 7, 2021 | 11:53 AM
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haha, no worries, don't break a sweat...I am just sarcastic and pull your strings a little ;-) .... and I never got more than 22 and that was babying it all the way.
Wow to get that low I would have to really hammer it, track use would be lower, what octane petrol?
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Wow to get that low I would have to really hammer it, track use would be lower, what octane petrol?
really, not sure what I am missing here. I run 17-18 daily just city driving....hammering it would lower that significantly. Best case highway is 22. But I talk about US gallons.
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really, not sure what I am missing here. I run 17-18 daily just city driving....hammering it would lower that significantly. Best case highway is 22. But I talk about US gallons.
UK gallon is about 20% greater in volume than US also I think octane rating is higher in the UK than US
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UK gallon is about 20% greater in volume than US also I think octane rating is higher in the UK than US
I use 93+ octane only and 20% difference does not make up for it. Weird.
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I use 93+ octane only and 20% difference does not make up for it. Weird.
I was using 99 octane which could get a couple of mpg more and in comfort mode not my usual sport plus and it’s an estate, don’t know if that makes a difference.
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Different octane rating system in the USA vs UK/Europe. 93 AKI (USA) is equivalent to 98 RON (Europe). I think the highway mpg is around 27 mpg (US). 37 mpg (UK) is about 30 mpg (US), so with a lot of highway driving and some gliding if you were in Comfort mode in the PFL it's probably possible to push that higher. Also, to really know what your mpg was and to account for errors in the board computer you should do the math based on how much fuel you actually burned for the driven distance. The board computers are known to err on the high side.
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Old Sep 7, 2021 | 02:09 PM
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Different octane rating system in the USA vs UK/Europe. 93 AKI (USA) is equivalent to 98 RON (Europe). I think the highway mpg is around 27 mpg (US). 37 mpg (UK) is about 30 mpg (US), so with a lot of highway driving and some gliding if you were in Comfort mode in the PFL it's probably possible to push that higher. Also, to really know what your mpg was and to account for errors in the board computer you should do the math based on how much fuel you actually burned for the driven distance. The board computers are known to err on the high side.
That’s a good point, I should have thought of that and done it when I returned, I’ve done a few short distances since then so it wouldn’t be accurate, no time tomorrow but I’ll top up on Thursday.
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In North America, depending upon the brand/station, one of the benefits of higher octane gas can be that it has zero alcohol content.

While I've never felt any difference with the common (here) 10% alcohol, I once found myself in a rural area where I could only get premium that had 20% alcohol content ... unfortunately, I didn't notice that it had that much alcohol until I was replacing the nozzle after filling the tank. Upon re-entering the highway, I immediately noticed a significant drop in power and, when I filled the tank after running out about 1/3 of it, the Road Trip app indicated over 15% drop in fuel mileage. While that was in our C43, I'd expect the same or even worse with the M177/178 engine.

I now pay more attention to the alcohol content and favor brands/stations that offer premium with zero alcohol content.
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In North America, depending upon the brand/station, one of the benefits of higher octane gas can be that it has zero alcohol content.

While I've never felt any difference with the common (here) 10% alcohol, I once found myself in a rural area where I could only get premium that had 20% alcohol content ... unfortunately, I didn't notice that it had that much alcohol until I was replacing the nozzle after filling the tank. Upon re-entering the highway, I immediately noticed a significant drop in power and, when I filled the tank after running out about 1/3 of it, the Road Trip app indicated over 15% drop in fuel mileage. While that was in our C43, I'd expect the same or even worse with the M177/178 engine.

I now pay more attention to the alcohol content and favor brands/stations that offer premium with zero alcohol content.
I thought it was the other way around. Alcohol is an octane booster, so the more alcohol the higher the octane of the fuel, but yes it has less energy per gallon than petrol, so you end up burning more. Most engines are also not tuned for more than 10% alcohol. But, there are a number of high performance engines that only make full power on E85, so alcohol is not evil if the engine is tuned for it.

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Originally Posted by superswiss
Different octane rating system in the USA vs UK/Europe. 93 AKI (USA) is equivalent to 98 RON (Europe). I think the highway mpg is around 27 mpg (US). 37 mpg (UK) is about 30 mpg (US), so with a lot of highway driving and some gliding if you were in Comfort mode in the PFL it's probably possible to push that higher. Also, to really know what your mpg was and to account for errors in the board computer you should do the math based on how much fuel you actually burned for the driven distance. The board computers are known to err on the high side.
After a few shortish stop start type journeys, lucky to get 20 mpg, my total mileage is 230 just topped up 32 litres or 7 UK gallons which works out at 32.67mpg this is on 99 octane E5
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I don’t get anywhere near yours.
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I don’t get anywhere near yours.
You were obviously doing a greater speed than me but I still think I’d get more mpg than you, mine has just turned over 9000 miles maybe it’s loosening up.
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Originally Posted by munis
I don’t get anywhere near yours.
Typically, running anything above about 120 kph (75 mph) yields a noticeable and increasingly declining mileage trend.
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Originally Posted by superswiss
... but yes it has less energy per gallon than petrol, so you end up burning more.
Agreed, and that was my point ... mileage, not octane. Getting a fuel with a given octane rating that has less/no alcohol will likely contain more energy and thus be able to get better mileage (all other things being equal, which they never are).

So, when I'm stopping to "make a fuel of myself" I try not to be "fuelish with my choices" so the car can have more energy and "fuel around" for longer ... yeah, I often try to have a gas with words, while others are just a-gassed. <sic>
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