Hi guys!

Back in 2014 I owned an RS5 V8, loved that car and also loved Audi and quattro system

I know this is not the place to ask and also not 100% comparable cars 😬….but would you consider change you c63s for RS5 Competition?

Not a fan of Porsche btw 🙈

 

No, I would not. I owned a 2013 RS5 before I bought the C63. The competition package looks like it got the numbness out of the B9 RS5, but the manually adjustable suspension is odd for a car like this. You have to crawl under the car and even remove the rear wheels to make adjustments. That just heavily limits the usability of the car I think compared to AMG Ride Control where you can do it at a push of a button and the suspension is adaptive to further automatically adjust each corner dynamically based on actual driving conditions. With the coilover suspension you gonna have to spend a lot of time finding the right settings if the factory defaults are not quite doing it where you like to drive. Even AMG went back to an adaptive suspension in the GT Black Series after giving the GT R Pro manually adjustable coilovers. I've long said that Audi should dump the DRC suspension, which is not adaptive and super harsh in Dynamic mode, but they went completely the wrong direction. The coilovers make sense for the track, but even in competition guise, the RS5 is still not a track car.

My other issue with the RS5 continues to be the transmission. I just don't want a torque converter in a performance car despite the competition package trying to make the transmission programming more emotional, and the engine remains uninspiring for me despite removing some of the sound deadening so you can actually hear something. The competition package also did not increase the power output, which is another odd choice. BMW's competition package and AMG's S trim which is essentially the competition package both come with power output increases. I heard that Audi didn't wanna pay to homologate a higher output engine, so they just kept it as-is. The whole thing to me is a bit too little too late. A last ditch effort trying to make the RS5 more exciting and more emotional.

EDIT: Oh BTW, I don't really wanna go back to quattro. Sending 40% of torque to the front wheels under normal conditions when you don't really need it just numbs the steering. If AWD in a performance car then I much prefer 4-Matic+ or M X-Drive which both generally send a 100% to the rear unless the traction situation requires sending some of it to the front wheels, but even so, RWD is just more fun.

 

I would rather go with M3/M4 Competition X-drive than RS5 Competition Plus.
Biggest issue I see with this new Audi is lack of any power increase from standard model, very outdated looking interior, and manually adjustable suspension that I will probably not mess around much due to inconvenience.

 

Yep, the sound and the power points are the most negative for me

Not 100% agree on the AWD, I miss how my RS5 was glued to the road…

 

I guess it depends on where you live and how you drive. I like a car that moves around and I like to drift, plus we have 300 dry days on average around here. AWD and quattro especially just takes a lot of playfulness out of it. In the B9, quattro is too conservative for its own good as many reviewers have commented. They did tweak the tuning of the sport differential in the competition package, but ultimately the rotation of the car with the sport differential is artificial. I'm constantly reminded just how much cleaner the C63 rotates, than the RS5 did with the artificial feel of the sport differential. I kept it in dynamic mode most of the time, because the dynamics of the car just kinda sucked with the sport differential in Comfort and Auto. It never quite felt right, even in Dynamic, whereas the C63's dynamics always feel right and natural regardless of which mode I'm in. It doesn't feel like the computer is working hard to overcome the inherent issue of the engine hanging out in front of the front axle with all Audis and the terminal understeer was always a reminder of that.

 

Here is a review but like others said, skip it, the way higher base price doesn't help either.

 

If you don’t like Porsche then don’t go for the RS5 because it uses the same EA839 2.9L TT V6 in the non-sports car Porsches. Seems to be a good engine so far after the early model year rocker arm failures.

 

Well, I will be testing one mid January 😬

Have you guys driven one of these or even the normal one?

 

I've driven the normal one before I bought the C63. Took it on a 250 mile canyon run to see if I like it. The gap to the C63 is too big for the competition package to significantly move the needle for me, because fundamentally it's still the same car. One thing I didn't mention is the RS5 when driven normal is hard to differentiate from an A5 due to how Audi tends to program the powertrain in D for fuel economy. From what I've read, that hasn't changed with the competition package. It's just a very dull car when driven normally. A C63 doesn't feel anything like a C300 when driven normally, which is what I love about it. It's always special to drive and is way more sporty in Comfort mode, than the RS5 is in Comfort mode. I don't want a car that I always have to drive ***** out to feel special. The C63 experience starts the moment you fire up the V8 and is there at any speed, but I understand that some people like how the RS5 is muted and under the radar when just driving around town.

 

Will be looking at what you say when I drive it…

I agree with you on how different c63 drives compared to a c300, Audi is much quieter as you say

Thanks @superswiss

 

I have the 2.9TT and ZF8HP in a Cayenne and it’s a sweet setup. Wind out the rpms and it sounds good. The ZF box does everything right. Different chassis to be sure so the dynamics are different.

 

Yes, for what I’ve see in reviews it does not sound bad at all…

 

Well, given my (albeit brief) experience with Audi, and by extension Volkswagen AG, don't ever own it outside warranty. Every single service will find something wrong, and you'll be shelling out around $700 every quarter in unexpected maintenance. They're just built cheap, and absolutely do not (and in my mind have never) justify the price over the VW equivalent. There's just not enough additional content; the old adage is true: What's the difference between Audi and Volkswagen? Four rings, $2000 per, you gotta buy all four.

That, and Park Place let me drive mine prior. The Audi dealers around here won't even let you touch an S/RS anything without a written confirmation of impending purchase. Nope.

(edit) Oh, and I even rolled in with the C63s the second time, just to see. They wouldn't talk to me. Nope x2.

 

Audi and Porsche are both boring emotionless cars. neither of them provide provide any thrill or enjoyment in city driving like an AMG does