Any takers for this great deal?
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Any takers for this great deal?
The deal (sodomy) on this new CL65 with designo edition is absolutely insane. I'm sorry , but I have to say, to pay $145,000 to drive a car only 22500 miles is crazy. Only 7500 miles allowed per year! $4000/month!!!
During which time I bet the car will only be worth around $90K, at best, at the end of the 39 month LEASE! I wonder what they have the residual set at for a lease like this?? I bet this will be a honey of a deal at that time.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/08-CL...QQcmdZViewItem
During which time I bet the car will only be worth around $90K, at best, at the end of the 39 month LEASE! I wonder what they have the residual set at for a lease like this?? I bet this will be a honey of a deal at that time.http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/08-CL...QQcmdZViewItem
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CL65 AMG In Designo Mystic White
Great looking car, I've seen that color in person on an SL65 and it just looks gorgeous. When you look closely at the car, you can actually see the small metalic particles in different colors and in great definition. The interior looks very sharp as well.....
However, I rather wait a year and buy this car at $90k or maybe 2 years and buy it at $70k
Thank God these cars depreciate fast, it makes them more affordable 
However, I rather wait a year and buy this car at $90k or maybe 2 years and buy it at $70k
Thank God these cars depreciate fast, it makes them more affordable
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That car takes a buyer w/"special" tastes/judgment....
Actually, would predict '08 CL65 will trade-in for around $100K in Fall08....but not sure what's more absurd....getting a new, fast-depreciating $200K car that one enjoys daily-driving 15K+ mis/yr (perhaps where the $100K one-yr deprec may be worth every penny to the car nut driver who appreciates latest-tech/aesthetics of pristine, new cars)...or buying a $100K used car.....
All $150K+ new cars are discretionary cars (one can subsist w/a new $100K S550 every 2-3 yrs, right??), so value judgments re: discretionary cars are subjective/economically irrational anyway.....
BTW, leases can be configured in various ways....need to consider sales tx calc (varies by state); early termination provisions; costs of extra miles, etc....most dealers struggle w/basic lease arithmetic/strucs, let alone most buyers....
Actually, would predict '08 CL65 will trade-in for around $100K in Fall08....but not sure what's more absurd....getting a new, fast-depreciating $200K car that one enjoys daily-driving 15K+ mis/yr (perhaps where the $100K one-yr deprec may be worth every penny to the car nut driver who appreciates latest-tech/aesthetics of pristine, new cars)...or buying a $100K used car.....
All $150K+ new cars are discretionary cars (one can subsist w/a new $100K S550 every 2-3 yrs, right??), so value judgments re: discretionary cars are subjective/economically irrational anyway.....
BTW, leases can be configured in various ways....need to consider sales tx calc (varies by state); early termination provisions; costs of extra miles, etc....most dealers struggle w/basic lease arithmetic/strucs, let alone most buyers....
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That car takes a buyer w/"special" tastes/judgment....
Actually, would predict '08 CL65 will trade-in for around $100K in Fall08....but not sure what's more absurd....getting a new, fast-depreciating $200K car that one enjoys daily-driving 15K+ mis/yr (perhaps where the $100K one-yr deprec may be worth every penny to the car nut driver who appreciates latest-tech/aesthetics of pristine, new cars)...or buying a $100K used car.....
All $150K+ new cars are discretionary cars (one can subsist w/a new $100K S550 every 2-3 yrs, right??), so value judgments re: discretionary cars are subjective/economically irrational anyway.....
BTW, leases can be configured in various ways....need to consider sales tx calc (varies by state); early termination provisions; costs of extra miles, etc....most dealers struggle w/basic lease arithmetic/strucs, let alone most buyers....
Actually, would predict '08 CL65 will trade-in for around $100K in Fall08....but not sure what's more absurd....getting a new, fast-depreciating $200K car that one enjoys daily-driving 15K+ mis/yr (perhaps where the $100K one-yr deprec may be worth every penny to the car nut driver who appreciates latest-tech/aesthetics of pristine, new cars)...or buying a $100K used car.....
All $150K+ new cars are discretionary cars (one can subsist w/a new $100K S550 every 2-3 yrs, right??), so value judgments re: discretionary cars are subjective/economically irrational anyway.....
BTW, leases can be configured in various ways....need to consider sales tx calc (varies by state); early termination provisions; costs of extra miles, etc....most dealers struggle w/basic lease arithmetic/strucs, let alone most buyers....
Agreed with everything you said but don't you think a $100K hit within a year is a bit too much? I would say it would be around $160K in a year. $120K in 2 years, $90K after the 3rd. The only reason the W215 CL65s took such a big hit is because of the incoming newly designed W216 came just too soon behind it. Honest to goodness, I like the styling of the W215 better and I'm very tempted to get one again , like a 2005 CL65. Just wishful thinking I'm afraid. I feel like the C pillar of the new CL extends too far back making the trunk area seem chopped off and too short when viewed from the side.
It just seems that with the turn of one generation of Mercedes to another, the S class and the CL class cars switch positions in terms of which one is my favorite.
----In the 90s, I liked the S class but didn't like the SC/CL.
----After 2000, I didn't like the S class so much but fell in love with the CL.
----Now it's flipped again, I like the S class but the CL doesn't make my heart flutter.
(In the 80's, I liked both about the same).
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Something on 4 wheels..
I also think the new one looks younger - especially the sharp front view...
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Not sure the car depreciates so quickly. There would have to be a long line of buyers in exactly one year for a car like this. Those buyers would have to make a decision to buy say a new E63 for around $90 or kick in another $10 and get a dream. Seems almost too good to be true.
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Funny, that's what I like about the new CL. IMO, the old one looked a bit artificial at the C-pillar. There was no harmonic line between the pillar and the trunk (trunk was too flat, looked like a car with a hard-top).
I also think the new one looks younger - especially the sharp front view...
I also think the new one looks younger - especially the sharp front view...
Oh there is no doubt, the new CL is an improvement. Just as I wrote the above comment, I was laughing as I knew someone would like the exact thing I was criticizing!!!
Diverting a second, wouldn't you like to see a cut-away of the car just below the C pillar so that you could see how that rear window tucks itself away as it goes down? I would have to believe it swings rearward in order to completely go down.
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It just seems that with the turn of one generation of Mercedes to another, the S class and the CL class cars switch positions in terms of which one is my favorite.
----In the 90s, I liked the S class but didn't like the SC/CL.
----After 2000, I didn't like the S class so much but fell in love with the CL.
----Now it's flipped again, I like the S class but the CL doesn't make my heart flutter.
(In the 80's, I liked both about the same).
----In the 90s, I liked the S class but didn't like the SC/CL.
----After 2000, I didn't like the S class so much but fell in love with the CL.
----Now it's flipped again, I like the S class but the CL doesn't make my heart flutter.
(In the 80's, I liked both about the same).
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Something on 4 wheels..
That reminds me of the BMW we owned in Germany back in the early 90s - It sometimes happened that the window went down and STAYED there..
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Agreed with everything you said but don't you think a $100K hit within a year is a bit too much? I would say it would be around $160K in a year. $120K in 2 years, $90K after the 3rd. The only reason the W215 CL65s took such a big hit is because of the incoming newly designed W216 came just too soon behind it. Honest to goodness, I like the styling of the W215 better and I'm very tempted to get one again , like a 2005 CL65. Just wishful thinking I'm afraid. I feel like the C pillar of the new CL extends too far back making the trunk area seem chopped off and too short when viewed from the side.
It just seems that with the turn of one generation of Mercedes to another, the S class and the CL class cars switch positions in terms of which one is my favorite.
----In the 90s, I liked the S class but didn't like the SC/CL.
----After 2000, I didn't like the S class so much but fell in love with the CL.
----Now it's flipped again, I like the S class but the CL doesn't make my heart flutter.
(In the 80's, I liked both about the same).
It just seems that with the turn of one generation of Mercedes to another, the S class and the CL class cars switch positions in terms of which one is my favorite.
----In the 90s, I liked the S class but didn't like the SC/CL.
----After 2000, I didn't like the S class so much but fell in love with the CL.
----Now it's flipped again, I like the S class but the CL doesn't make my heart flutter.
(In the 80's, I liked both about the same).
Tend to take conservative view re: any car's likely trade-in values; upside surprises are interesting, but one needs to be prepared for $100-120K trade-in values for '08 CL65 in Fall08....and one's dealer may opt to wholesale car to avoid inventory capital risks of such cars, esp if used high-end mkt appears iced over....
US high-end economy is slowing; even new S/CL63/65 (w/7% dealer margin) are tough to sell in wealthy mkts like NYC/CA (e.g., my usual MB dealer located in one of world's wealthiest suburban corridors is still struggling to unload its inventory of ?2-3 new blk/blk '08 CL65s.....many jaded repeat AMG (incl prior 65s) buyers passed on '08 CL65 for various reasons not related to affordability/trade-in value
)...used buyers are far more aspirational, often w/dubious credit histories....and tend to fade in difficult economies....Styling is an interesting, subjective factor re: cars...but have owned numerous CLs from last gen and this gen....IMO, today's CL absolutely dwarfs prior gen in driving precision/tech/quality of materials/reliability of this impressive leading-edge tech....no comparo IMO....but also have much respect for styling of S-Class.....seriously considered getting S63/65 for enhanced safety instead of CL63, but have no need for sedan....and hate the TeleAid antenna....and the fact S550s are simply upscale cabs in NYC.....
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Prob trade-in some 4-6 cars/yr at my usual dealers; am treated well by my dealers, but appreciate that high-end used car mkt tends to be lumpy/hard-to-predict, even in major mkts in robust economies.....
Tend to take conservative view re: any car's likely trade-in values; upside surprises are interesting, but one needs to be prepared for $100-120K trade-in values for '08 CL65 in Fall08....and one's dealer may opt to wholesale car to avoid inventory capital risks of such cars, esp if used high-end mkt appears iced over....
US high-end economy is slowing; even new S/CL63/65 (w/7% dealer margin) are tough to sell in wealthy mkts like NYC/CA (e.g., my usual MB dealer located in one of world's wealthiest suburban corridors is still struggling to unload its inventory of ?2-3 new blk/blk '08 CL65s.....many jaded repeat AMG (incl prior 65s) buyers passed on '08 CL65 for various reasons not related to affordability/trade-in value)...used buyers are far more aspirational, often w/dubious credit histories....and tend to fade in difficult economies....
Styling is an interesting, subjective factor re: cars...but have owned numerous CLs from last gen and this gen....IMO, today's CL absolutely dwarfs prior gen in driving precision/tech/quality of materials/reliability of this impressive leading-edge tech....no comparo IMO....but also have much respect for styling of S-Class.....seriously considered getting S63/65 for enhanced safety instead of CL63, but have no need for sedan....and hate the TeleAid antenna....and the fact S550s are simply upscale cabs in NYC.....
Tend to take conservative view re: any car's likely trade-in values; upside surprises are interesting, but one needs to be prepared for $100-120K trade-in values for '08 CL65 in Fall08....and one's dealer may opt to wholesale car to avoid inventory capital risks of such cars, esp if used high-end mkt appears iced over....
US high-end economy is slowing; even new S/CL63/65 (w/7% dealer margin) are tough to sell in wealthy mkts like NYC/CA (e.g., my usual MB dealer located in one of world's wealthiest suburban corridors is still struggling to unload its inventory of ?2-3 new blk/blk '08 CL65s.....many jaded repeat AMG (incl prior 65s) buyers passed on '08 CL65 for various reasons not related to affordability/trade-in value
)...used buyers are far more aspirational, often w/dubious credit histories....and tend to fade in difficult economies....Styling is an interesting, subjective factor re: cars...but have owned numerous CLs from last gen and this gen....IMO, today's CL absolutely dwarfs prior gen in driving precision/tech/quality of materials/reliability of this impressive leading-edge tech....no comparo IMO....but also have much respect for styling of S-Class.....seriously considered getting S63/65 for enhanced safety instead of CL63, but have no need for sedan....and hate the TeleAid antenna....and the fact S550s are simply upscale cabs in NYC.....
Great points. One thing you said that sticks out and that is the word "wholesale". Wholesale, dealer offers just might be as low as $100K for a one year old CL. I was referring to retail prices.
About the new CL: You are exactly right. The updated tech/upgrades, safety, better quality is about the only reason I hesitate to go back in time and get a used W215. Hopefully, I will have the common sense to keep my S600 and later, once it paid off, I can get a deal on a W216.
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Any body knows what we should be able to ****** an 05 CL65 in the dealer auctions after January 08? car will be 3 years old technically and with prices falling I see them in the 50's...anybody could chime in please.
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Yes, important distinction wholesale vs retail....
Have never owned a car.....don't like liability/capital/insurance, etc issues of personally-owned cars....and like MB dealer to be intermediary in any sale tscn (of car owned by MB Credit) to avoid any personal liability issues vs buyers of traded-in cars....
Bid-ask spread btwn retail and wholesale on high-end, discretionary cars is a risky game, even for seasoned dealers, esp when economy changes or model isn't as hot as predicted/produc ramps up....sometimes dealers provide a generous trade-in value to a repeat buyer; try to sell used car for 2-3 mos; if not successful, dealer often is forced (by capital cost issues) to wholesale car, sometimes at net loss.....on new-gen CLs, know of several instances where major mkt MB dealers lost money on trade-ins; forced to wholesale at loss.....
Trade-in values can be odd at times.....have driven cars like S550 (at launch) and 997TT (at launch) for perhaps 1mo or so and was able to trade-in for MSRP, so a very cheap, but enjoyable extended test drive.....sometimes one wins...sometimes one incurs heavy deprec.... I tend to just assume reasonable worst case; determine if I can afford car anyway; and enjoy driving the car for a few K mis.....have always enjoyed learning dynamic/tech nuances of various new cars....
Have never owned a car.....don't like liability/capital/insurance, etc issues of personally-owned cars....and like MB dealer to be intermediary in any sale tscn (of car owned by MB Credit) to avoid any personal liability issues vs buyers of traded-in cars....
Bid-ask spread btwn retail and wholesale on high-end, discretionary cars is a risky game, even for seasoned dealers, esp when economy changes or model isn't as hot as predicted/produc ramps up....sometimes dealers provide a generous trade-in value to a repeat buyer; try to sell used car for 2-3 mos; if not successful, dealer often is forced (by capital cost issues) to wholesale car, sometimes at net loss.....on new-gen CLs, know of several instances where major mkt MB dealers lost money on trade-ins; forced to wholesale at loss.....
Trade-in values can be odd at times.....have driven cars like S550 (at launch) and 997TT (at launch) for perhaps 1mo or so and was able to trade-in for MSRP, so a very cheap, but enjoyable extended test drive
.....sometimes one wins...sometimes one incurs heavy deprec.... I tend to just assume reasonable worst case; determine if I can afford car anyway; and enjoy driving the car for a few K mis.....have always enjoyed learning dynamic/tech nuances of various new cars....
