AZBENZ-CTSV

posted this in W216 section as well:

Panamera 4S quicker than W216 CL600?

Was in my neighbors W216 CL600 (stock) when up rolled to the stop light, a
Porsche Panamera 4S was stopped as well. Early Sunday morning (no traffic) 2 stop lights about an 1/8 mile a part. The panny was off the line and both times about a car length ahead.We were both quite surprised in the out come. I didn't realize the non turbo car was so QUICK. I'm sure in a 1/4 mile it would have been a different result however stop light to stop light panny was quicker.

radride

AWD vs RWD... Who do think is going to win off the line...

R.K.

Bromaguire

As I posted in your other indetical thread. Traction is the reason it was faster off the line at first...

AZBENZ-CTSV

R.K.
agree in most cases
but was surprised in this case.
i'm 99% sure this would be different with a tune
my E55 modded(tune-pulley-headers) and my SL600 (ECU/TCU) will CRUSH my Gallardo in a 1/8 mile run and pretty sure the result would be identical with the 4S PANNY .

radride

Was the CL in sport mode? Maybe it started in second gear for a reason. Did the CL spin off the line? The 4S makes 400hp and the curb weight is 4100 lbs. You put all of that into the formula and you get the results you've seen. If it was a roll race, the 4S doesn't stand a chance.

R.K.

kamilclk430

Win or Loose you still in a Benz

I think that CL only needs a nice sticky tire and hmmmm no thats about it.

AZBENZ-CTSV

I was considering buying a CL myself but gotta admit i'm intrigued with the Porsche Panamera as a daily driver.

Blkvip

if where talking 215 CL to the Pcar meh.. im one of the few who love the panamera. imo panamera over 215 if i could, obv a turbo would be the choice lol. have you watched any Pcar turbo videos? thing MOVESSSS off the line!!!

tc1728

Win or lose, the other guy is still in a Porsche

AZBENZ-CTSV

i was comparing the W216 to the panamera 4S.

radride

I just realized you were talking about the 216 chassis. The 216 is heavier than the 215 it replaced but still has the same power. I think the 215 would of faired better.

R.K.

AZBENZ-CTSV

times are almost identical on CL215 and CL216 600 cars.
Weight is more on the W216 but so is hp(543 VS 493) and torque.
Overall the 216 is just a better overall car and more refined.
i do think the W215 is a CLASSIC design just getting a bit aged especially with the new S coupe arriving at the end of the year.

radride

I see now. They must of juiced up the HP to offset the extra weight. I bet if you were to chip both the 215 and 216, they would both end up at the same hp and torque.

R.K.

alx

the panamera s is awd, lighter and has denser gearing

i am not surprised of the outcome.

AZBENZ-CTSV

ALX:
would result be same with ecu tune on CL if you could "hook up out of the hole"?
in 1/4 mile the Panny would get reeled in by the CL don't ya think stock or modded?

radride

Here's a quarter mile for a 216 stock CL600:

http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-16865.html

Here's one with a Renntech chip and drag radials:
http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-17153.html

Stock Panamara S:

http://www.dragtimes.com/Porsche-Pan...lip-20277.html

R.K.

alx

in stock form the one-wheel-drive cl will not hook up regardless of hp level. you need drag radials and ideally an lsd.

on the highway roll ons i assume the panny s will lose soundly though.

overall in the real world the panny s will win the traffic light to traffic light race. after that it will get reeled in quickly.

AZBENZ-CTSV

THX ALX
drove by our local prsche dealer and drove the 4S, agree- all the power is off the line compared with the torque of the BENZ. I then drove the PANAMERA TURBO and holy **** was that car fast across the entire power band. I really planned to move to CL or S from my E55 but the turbo may just be the ticket

alx

If you have a chance- drive the turbo s. It is faster than the regular turbo and more buttoned up. There is far more to it than porsche is saying/ claiming on the spec sheets.

AZBENZ-CTSV

will do thx
still on the fence not sure i can justify 35k more for the 2010 turbo over the 08 cl600

Libraman2k1

Now that I have the Renntech TCU/ECU upgrade, NOOO WAYYY could this porche handle my 03 cl600 form start to finish--only question is tire slippage--rolling start, Im smoking that porche HANDSDOWN--Torque on my car FEELS like a 767 taking off --I am not as technical as most here but punching the accelerator from 70-160 throws your head back in the seat--all I can say is "Thanks Renntech"--from 500 to 625-650 HP with just a computer based adjustment is UNREAL--Also, I ran 3 x's against a Cl 55 with the same HP--He cannot touch me from start to finish-its all about torque torque torque--the 600 pulls like its connected to a slingshot

AZBENZ-CTSV

congrats on the car i'm guessing you're speaking of the panamera 4s and i'll agree other than off the line you'll win. you however will not win against the panamera TURBO, even with your tune from a roll or 60-100.
panamera turbo is also a mod friendly car, so moodded it could get ugly.
the good news in comparing the 2 cars, in used form is you'll still have 70k in your pocket buying 03 cl600 over the panny turbo.

Bromaguire

Actually he would have no problem beating the Turbo or the Turbo S.

Motor Trend has the turbo running an 11.9 and the Turbo S running an 11.8.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._s_first_test/

Heres a Turbo with a tune that ran an 11.3
http://www.dragtimes.com/Porsche-Pan...lip-23797.html

Heres a member on here who ran and 11.1 with a CL600 and tune only.
http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-12029.html


Looks the the CL600 is simply faster especially when its tuned...

AZBENZ-CTSV

.... not from what i've witnessed first hand--- AT LEAST NOT WITH TUNED SL600
test drove last week the panamera turbo vs my tuned SL600 (WHICH WEIGHS LESS THAN CL) from a dig (lost badly)-from a roll to 75mph (very close)- and 60-100 (side by side 1/2 car length behind). bottom line was, i lost all 3. i was in the SL and salesman was in the panny.
he asked beforehand if i wanted to test the 2 against each other. a 2 mile empty service road behind the dealership is where we tested them.
don't always put the the dragtime numbers as FACT,many variables go into the times (tires-conditions)
with the above being said i've decided to keep the 35k in my pocket and buy the 08 CL600 instead of the Panamera turbo. i think performance wise if modding the CL it's pretty much a wash between the two and while i find the panamera looks growing on me
i find the w215 and w216 cars being some of the best looking on the road.

Bromaguire

There's something wrong with your SL then...

As we've told you from a dig there's no doubt the panameras have the launch advantage but that's it.

I'm pretty sure motor trend is a reliable source. Dragtimes numbers with the timeslips posted are as reliable as any other source for times. In any race there will always be different variables.

It sounds like the Porsche station wagon is the car for you. I'd go pick one up ASAP If I was you and post the videos of it pulling on your SL.