Hey Moto,did you upgrade the ME 2.0 software in those two cars or continue to use the stck 4.3L injectors?

 

Both cars are running the 5.5L injectors. It's running a little on the lean side but, it feels just like a 5.5L. One is running a chipped ECU also. Thanks for clearing up the C55 debate.

 

Moto,

Do you have any feel for the difference in weight between the stock AMG 4.3 liter engine vs. the AMG 5.5 liter. Would you say the 5.5 liter is 50 lbs heavier, 100 lbs heavier, ?

Do you have a 5.0 liter motor that you could put into my C43? Also I am looking for used pistons and rods out of a 4.3 liter or 5.0 liter engine so that I can use them to measure up the parts and do some R&D work.

Please let me know if you have these used parts and the cost to put a 5.0L in my C43.

Thanks for your time.


Jeff

 

We never really did any weight comparison b/w the 2 motors. They physically look the same. If anything, I'd say the 5.5 weighs only 20lbs heavier. Not much more. I do have a spare E55 motor and a 03 CLK55/C55 motor if you're interested. I also have the original C43 motor that came out of this car.

 

Speedy there is a 5.0L on ebay from brabus I think selling for dirt cheap.I'll send you the link

 

Yea that guy's from some other planet!
If you use a Ecu from a 99 - early 2k E55 they use the same ME 2.0 software as the C43 but it's programmed to run the 5.5L injectors on an entirely different map than the one programmed in the C43 ECU.That's why the car is running lean.It's really only programmed to use the 4.3l injectors with the software in the C43 Ecu.


I spoke to Donnie formerly from www.mbautowerks.com (11.5 sec 1/4 mile C43 to w202 C55 conversion) who has done several of these conversions and he is able to either reflash a chip and take out the c43 me2.0 chip. The 2.0 software in the C43 ECU has is locked in by MB.The ME2.0 software in the E55 does not have the code locked. He either uses a E55 ECU or reflashes it,I'll know when I take the converted car down to Atlanta to get it programmed.

If you call him he can give you much better details.Basically the car is running lean because of the software.I heard from alot of guys that whatever it is that Donnie does,the car will feel a whole lot different in a much better way.He says that the software does need to be upgraded when you do the conversion,I guess for fuel and timing. However ,he says he does need the car to do all the work ,so I feel that the trip down to Atl Ga. will be well worth it!

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=4520855887

 

Even if the old C55 was a converted C43, it was done by AMG as opposed to some anonymous guy on the internet. You may feel safe assuming that the reliability would be the same, but I would not.

 

my point exactly. thank you.

 

First off there's not much to the conversion at all.It would be like taking a blown 4.3L out of a c43 and putting another one in hence the E55 ,5.5L motor has the same exact external dimensions other than cylinder bore,crank perhaps,and definitely stroke. The only other difference in an AMG C55 done by AMG and the one done by most folks would be the rear end and rear subframe(2.82 vs 3.08).


If Brabus,RENNtech,Kleeman or anybody else for that matter did the conversion,why would it be any less reliable than a car AMG is converting? I've seen many different dealership or company mechanics screw up customer cars so I dont agree with your reliability issue especially if you are giving the car to someone who has the experience and knowledge with doing the conversion.


I did a OBD1 E36 BMW 2.5L to M3 3.2L(332i) conversion myself.Suspension,engine,harness,you name it.I dont have a shop! I work for Verizon. My car runs great on the autocross and runs mid 13's in the 1/4 mile.Does the fact that I built it make it any less reliable than someone from BMW Motorsports("M") doing the same exact conversion?


No dissrespect to you Revstriker but POINTMAN ,POINTLESS whatever you wanna call him/her apparently has NO knowledge or personal experience other than paying some body to build his Fantasy cars so the reliability issue that you guys have is severely dismissed especially with the novice ,POINTLESS standing there in agreement with you. By the way ,you guys can get in touch with a professional.His name is Donnie.He'll give you any info on DIY reliability issues.He's done many a conversion and people will bring there cars to him way b4 they bring it to the stealership,AMG in Germany ,or whoever. www.mbautowerks.com

Hey POINTLESS,Get A LIFE! This debate about reliablity is weak!!!!!!!! But you're entitled to your uneducated opinion. By the way according to your argument,I guess if I want to upgrade a turbo or engine on a Nissan or Toyota I should only bring it to NISMO or TRD to do the wrk HUH?Not just some one who has the experience or has done several apps. (POINTLESS,AHOPETER)You can be such a relentless LOSER in such a stupid debate that you can't even give more specific reasons to back up what you're saying.Maybe AMG has sparkplugs made out of GOLD.Oh I'll take my car to them.


For each his own in you guys case!

 

Why do you have to get me started!!!

 

coolcarski, where are you located in ny? when is your car going to be completely finished? id like to check it out some time or maybe you can come to one of the tristate meets

 

coolcarlskiC43, My only point was that I would trust AMG work done on my engine before I would trust someone that is unknown. I am not saying that just because something is not tuned by AMG, that it is automatically less reliable. Could be quite the opposite. Obviously, Brabus, RENNtech, and Kleeman are well respected tuners. Again, I would trust one of them more than I would trust "Bob's corner tuning shop/Laundromat". I won't speak for pointman, but I believe this was also the point he was trying to make.

As for AMG vs. another respectable tuner, I personally would value AMG over anyone else. The way I see it, MB could have picked any number of tuners to partner with, but they selected AMG.

MoTo, sorry for distracting from your classified. My comments are more in general and not in respect to your car, or your ability as a tuner.

 

you area really pathetic. I agreed with rev and you cry and cry and cry. you need to real get a check on that pathetic whining.

and dont compare the work you do with that of brabus or renntech. obviously you do not compare.

 

I understand and some what agree with your point Rev and perhaps you might feel i'm missing your point. Earlier in the thread POINTLESS threw his pathetic statement: OK Rev here is the story:

MOTO built the C55 that the thread is talking about. Then POINTLESS came up out of the blue with his pathetic comment (above).(He's a pathetic poor specimen of a human being and a hater as well I might add because he doesn't share the whole story).He(MOTO) actually built two of them that we know of which he mentions in the forum.So no one here actually mentions just anyone doing the conversion because in the beginning we were referring to the cars that MOTO built. This idiot POINTLESS just comes with his ridiclous comment stating the above. I'm saying that it's an easy conversion which is really just pulling a 113 MB V8 out and putting in another MB113 in.Any mechanic that's experienced with MB's,BMW's,Honda,Toyota,Mitsu etc can do it.It's not a major problem so I cant see why someone with some practical knowledge and experience can't do it and the car still be just as reliable as it was from the dealer(AMG).YOU take one motor out,and put the other same similar motor in ,with the same exact engine harness .The last thing to do would be to upgrade the software for the 5.4L inj,fuel map,and timing. There's absolutely nothing to it is all I'm saying.No heart surgery involved. You would be taking a chance if more was involved,perhaps going FI or something.In that case I would maybe perhaps then take the car to someone who specializes in this upgrade ,but not to take a motor out and drop the same ,almost exact similar motor in.That's my point.There's nothing to it.However I dont know about (POINTLESS,CLUELESS,AHOPETER) whatever name he wants to call himself but it only takes a little common sense based on the whole spectrum of this thread. No I wouldnt just let anybody wrk on my car either without some sort of knowledge.And again we are just talking about this particular car and the option of putting in a motor with a liitle bigger displacement. POINTLESS AHOPETER take that and go run back to mommy so she can put on your Bib!!





I'm done!POINTLESS YOU LOSER!

 

the name calling really gets boring. And the play on words was never really amusing at all. remember, you are the one instigating such a ridiculous little rant.

 

Fly away bug! It's done now!

 

exactly, nothing to say.

 

We've done 3 conversions. The last one was the trickiest.

98C55 - White
99C55 - Black
03C43 - Blue (Pudgy's Car - Illbenz: C240 w/ C43 motor)

 

okay my turn, found this thread a little late.....

i am the third car and all i have to say are good things about the shop and there conversions.

i did a c43 engine into my c240. going from a v6 to v8... obviously it was a whole lot of work and a lot of things to figure out. in the end i got my car back by the promised date and everything is running perfect.

moto does not have some backyard shop, he has a pretty big shop with a mb certified tech doing the work. i entrusted my car to them and i have no regrets. everything is perfect with no errors or anything.

on top of all this, a brabus tech took my engine apart to have the parts dipped in chrome. i told him to check out the swap and make sure everything was done ligit. he assured me the swap was done correct and that i should have nothing to worry about.

back to the point.... i actually drove this c55 and it is damn insane... it is the reason why i did the swap in my car. its so fuken quick you would not believe it. PM or email me if you have any questions about how ligit moto is, i back him 100%

 

Wow! Great job MOTO! W203 you know you have to give us more pics! That is beautiful.I hope you don't mind me copying your crafty design there LOL! I like the chrome idea.Did you do anything with the air filter cover as well? I will post this in the club202 forum.Great job guys!

 

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wow thats awesome

 

i have a 03CLK55 motor that I'm considering to put up for sale. It's pretty much the same motor as the new w203 C55. Anyone interested?

 

Nice work