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To Brabus or not to Brabus....
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From: troyes, france
ML 320 CDI
Another Brabus kit Vs Kleemann kit thread.
Even if Kleemann is more powerful and less expensive, I don't it's the right solution. Why? Just because too powerful for a CLK 320. Many people will say that Kleemann is really reliable but if you look at closer, they all come from USA.
US people don't push their cars, most of the time they drive at 70 mph on the highway. It's nothing comapre to the german drivers.
I have nothing against supercharger but if you want one go to Carlsson ( who produce 300 HP).
If you don't believe me, just ask to a german mercedes forum and you will se the answers.
Even if Kleemann is more powerful and less expensive, I don't it's the right solution. Why? Just because too powerful for a CLK 320. Many people will say that Kleemann is really reliable but if you look at closer, they all come from USA.
US people don't push their cars, most of the time they drive at 70 mph on the highway. It's nothing comapre to the german drivers.
I have nothing against supercharger but if you want one go to Carlsson ( who produce 300 HP).
If you don't believe me, just ask to a german mercedes forum and you will se the answers.
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From: troyes, france
ML 320 CDI
Ok so even if mach430 has pushed his car without problems, it means nothing for me. Every week I see some carlsson and Brabus cars on the nurburgring ( never seen a Kleemann car on it) with more than 100000 miles, and they are used during the week for 120 mph+ commuting on free speed highways. That's a proof
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Originally posted by Paul Le Corre
Ok so even if mach430 has pushed his car without problems, it means nothing for me. Every week I see some carlsson and Brabus cars on the nurburgring ( never seen a Kleemann car on it) with more than 100000 miles, and they are used during the week for 120 mph+ commuting on free speed highways. That's a proof
Ok so even if mach430 has pushed his car without problems, it means nothing for me. Every week I see some carlsson and Brabus cars on the nurburgring ( never seen a Kleemann car on it) with more than 100000 miles, and they are used during the week for 120 mph+ commuting on free speed highways. That's a proof
I am sure cars take a pounding on there. I am honestly not capable of arguing the kleeman reliability, but why do you think it is unreleable? Do supercharges place that much more stress on the engine? I would assume that brabus would be more reliable as they aren't just supercharging it, but at twice the cost...is it worth it how much longer do you think your car would last?
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Originally posted by nuttertmf
you make an excelent point about the nurburgring track I am sure cars take a pounding on there. I am honestly not capable of arguing the kleeman reliability, but why do you think it is unreleable? Do supercharges place that much more stress on the engine? I would assume that brabus would be more reliable as they aren't just supercharging it, but at twice the cost...is it worth it how much longer do you think your car would last?
you make an excelent point about the nurburgring track
I am sure cars take a pounding on there. I am honestly not capable of arguing the kleeman reliability, but why do you think it is unreleable? Do supercharges place that much more stress on the engine? I would assume that brabus would be more reliable as they aren't just supercharging it, but at twice the cost...is it worth it how much longer do you think your car would last?
Do you think that Kleemann can produce 30 HP more than one of the most famous tuner in the world with the same reliability? I don't think so
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i only browsed the first couple of repsonses to his thread, but if he is gonna spend the money at brabus to get 272 HP, why not just upgrade to a 430 for about $4000-$5000 more and get the power and torque of a V8?
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99' CLK 320 Coupe
Originally posted by Paul Le Corre
I have nothing against the supercharger kits, those made by Carlsson are really good. It's more about those made by Kleemann. I have talked to the french importer of Carlsson about the CM 32 K kit and he told that this kit use quite all the potential of the 3.2 V6 engine, saving the reliability for an everyday use.
Do you think that Kleemann can produce 30 HP more than one of the most famous tuner in the world with the same reliability? I don't think so
I have nothing against the supercharger kits, those made by Carlsson are really good. It's more about those made by Kleemann. I have talked to the french importer of Carlsson about the CM 32 K kit and he told that this kit use quite all the potential of the 3.2 V6 engine, saving the reliability for an everyday use.
Do you think that Kleemann can produce 30 HP more than one of the most famous tuner in the world with the same reliability? I don't think so
Originally posted by clkal
i only browsed the first couple of repsonses to his thread, but if he is gonna spend the money at brabus to get 272 HP, why not just upgrade to a 430 for about $4000-$5000 more and get the power and torque of a V8?
i only browsed the first couple of repsonses to his thread, but if he is gonna spend the money at brabus to get 272 HP, why not just upgrade to a 430 for about $4000-$5000 more and get the power and torque of a V8?
