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07-13-2005, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by AMG///Merc
They wouldn't sound exactly alike, even if they all shared identical exhaust systems. The two influencing factors are the differing displacements and the different cams (Different duration equating to a change in exhaust pulse frequency, as well as slightly different timing). Most likely they would sound similar enough to where it might not be easy to tell the difference, but there's no question that they will sound different...
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If that's the case then what happened to the Mercedes V12 or better yet the Bi-Turbo 12's they all sound like VACUUM cleaners
07-13-2005, 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by thericker55
So your saying the more displacement the deeper throatier the exhaust note?
If that's the case then what happened to the Mercedes V12 or better yet the Bi-Turbo 12's they all sound like VACUUM cleaners
If that's the case then what happened to the Mercedes V12 or better yet the Bi-Turbo 12's they all sound like VACUUM cleaners
I hope that was a joke! 
07-13-2005, 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by coolcarlskiC43
The F/I V12 and N/A V12 motor is not a M113 motor my friend! I hope that was a joke!
I hope that was a joke! I also know from experience w/01 Ford F-250 V-10, thing souded like a high pitched Indy car when I punched it... So how does the bigger displacement theory apply here?
07-13-2005, 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by thericker55
I know the V12's aren't M113 motors, I was just going purely off the other guys Bigger displacement theory creating deeper throatier sound
I also know from experience w/01 Ford F-250 V-10, thing souded like a high pitched Indy car when I punched it... So how does the bigger displacement theory apply here?
I also know from experience w/01 Ford F-250 V-10, thing souded like a high pitched Indy car when I punched it... So how does the bigger displacement theory apply here?
PS Calliper and displacement have to do with the measurement or size of something.Would everyone agree?
07-13-2005, 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by coolcarlskiC43
If you have two different calliper guns,one a .38 cal and one a .45 cal but the same gun.Don't you think they will sound a little different when fired?The .45 will be more poweful and alil louder.
PS Calliper and displacement have to do with the measurement or size of something.Would everyone agree?
PS Calliper and displacement have to do with the measurement or size of something.Would everyone agree?
And still comparing larger ingines using your gun analogy, the V-10's V-12's should be louder more powerfull sounding ..But there not
07-14-2005, 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by thericker55
Are we talking about brakes? "Calipers?" or Guns "Caliber"...Sorry I couldn't resist..
And still comparing larger ingines using your gun analogy, the V-10's V-12's should be louder more powerfull sounding ..But there not
And still comparing larger ingines using your gun analogy, the V-10's V-12's should be louder more powerfull sounding ..But there not
A typo of course. The main reason why the MB V12 F/I motor sounds quieter is because of the turbo's being in the exhaust path.
07-14-2005, 01:03 AM
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Think about it for a second...
Originally Posted by thericker55
I know the V12's aren't M113 motors, I was just going purely off the other guys Bigger displacement theory creating deeper throatier sound
I also know from experience w/01 Ford F-250 V-10, thing souded like a high pitched Indy car when I punched it... So how does the bigger displacement theory apply here?
I also know from experience w/01 Ford F-250 V-10, thing souded like a high pitched Indy car when I punched it... So how does the bigger displacement theory apply here?
First of all, as CoolCarl pointed out, the turbos both muffle the exhaust and make their own noise as well. Secondly, the 65 series 6980 cc V12's, despite being 6 liters, actually have less displacement per cylinder (498 cc's vs 679 cc's) than the 5439 cc V8. Thirdly, having twelve cylinders, the 65 series cars have six power strokes per crankshaft revolution versus the 5.5's four. Smaller pistons firing at a higher frequency will create a higher pitched sound.
Also, as far as the Ford V10 sounding different, you're talking about a completely different motor. More cylinders, different firing order, exhaust system etc. I guarentee you that if you either bored out or stroked that same engine you would get a deeper exhaust note, albeit slightly, as I have always said.
Just ask yourself this... Do you really believe that the a larger cylinder which allows in more fuel and air will have NO effect on exhaust noise??
Best regards,
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07-14-2005, 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by coolcarlskiC43
oops LOL Sorry what a disaster. A typo of course. The main reason why the MB V12 F/I motor sounds quieter is because of the turbo's being in the exhaust path.
A typo of course. The main reason why the MB V12 F/I motor sounds quieter is because of the turbo's being in the exhaust path.
07-14-2005, 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by AMG///Merc
First of all, as CoolCarl pointed out, the turbos both muffle the exhaust and make their own noise as well. Secondly, the 65 series 6980 cc V12's, despite being 6 liters, actually have less displacement per cylinder (498 cc's vs 679 cc's) than the 5439 cc V8. Thirdly, having twelve cylinders, the 65 series cars have six power strokes per crankshaft revolution versus the 5.5's four. Smaller pistons firing at a higher frequency will create a higher pitched sound.
Also, as far as the Ford V10 sounding different, you're talking about a completely different motor. More cylinders, different firing order, exhaust system etc. I guarentee you that if you either bored out or stroked that same engine you would get a deeper exhaust note, albeit slightly, as I have always said.
Just ask yourself this... Do you really believe that the a larger cylinder which allows in more fuel and air will have NO effect on exhaust noise??
Best regards,
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Also, as far as the Ford V10 sounding different, you're talking about a completely different motor. More cylinders, different firing order, exhaust system etc. I guarentee you that if you either bored out or stroked that same engine you would get a deeper exhaust note, albeit slightly, as I have always said.
Just ask yourself this... Do you really believe that the a larger cylinder which allows in more fuel and air will have NO effect on exhaust noise??
Best regards,
Matt
You definitely know your sh*t....thanks
07-14-2005, 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by thericker55
Ahh...that makes sense but what about the non turbo V-12..I heard it's quite also? thanks....
07-14-2005, 10:45 AM
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oooooohhhhh. I've seen it so many times and had no clue. since were on a roll what does IMO mean?
IMHO = In My Humble Opinion
I can only do three a day, so any more and you may be SOL :p
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07-14-2005, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by coolcarlskiC43
Did'nt you read AMG Merc's explanation above!
