Mr. Xristo

Woud like to see you take on a '02 M5

My buddy is always taunted on I-95, here in South Florida, and he always smokes'em.. He raced some 'Stang yesterday on the highway. The stang pulled up, and started to take off. My buddy let him go a bit, and caught up with him, and then dropped it ino 4th, and smoked him.

I don't think the stang knew what hit him..

55LOVER

Interesting subject because my friend has a CLK55 and about 2 weeks ago another friend of mine bought a 2002 M3. So last weekend we did race and sorry to say the M3 lost 3 times in a row. We hit 3 different traffic lights and took him each light. Ok we one by half a car lenght but hey for an auto. and 17inch tires, that is pretty darn good. Now I see people saying how can that be when CLk says 5.23 sec. and M3 says 4.7 secs. 0-60mph. First of all that is a CLK55 convt. Go to mbz. website and you will see that the clk55 hits 0-60 in 4.9 secs. Now on top of thought mercedes is very conservative. Here is why: I have a ML55 and its claimed on mercedes wbesite to go 0-60 in 6.4 secs. Then I happened to race a guy in a bmw 540i manual which is claimed to go 6 seconds flat according to BMW website. Well to conclude this all, I destroyed the 540i not once but at least 3 times. I had my friend in my car and the BMW driver was alone. It was so funny because we were at the light and he was reving his engine thinking he was going to smoke me but it didnt happen like that. We blew him out. I would say about a whole car length. I was just holding the gas pedal down and looking back to the bmw driver i see this pissed off face behind me trying to shift his beemer. LOL. He didnt have a chance. So anyways this just shows you BMW drivers that numbers dont mean JACK SHI-. BMW must be a liittle off on their website when it comes to 0-60mph. At least .4 sec off . So if CLK is 4.9 and BMw is 4.7 obviously CLK will win. TRust me it will. I saw it with my own eyes.
Oh one other thing, The motor trend magazine was paid to favor BMW Ms over the AMG models. I have driven most AMG cars and
BMWs M and there was no comparison. AMG RULES.
AMG RULES. THANK YOU.

vivianlove

To VMan: I waited 19 month for it.

To CLK55 vs M3:
I still can't believe CLK55 beat M3. I love both cars, so there is no bias in me. Driver problem?!?!? I don't know. At least my friend and I have no arguements when CLK55 lost to M3.

Samir

This is funny to me...so what car is it then? An E36 M3? The car in the video is 100% an E46 M3...laguna seca, with full Hamann body kit/wheels/exhaust.

This IS the car
<img src="http://www.ice-pla.net/wpfest/tuningwerks%20011.jpg">

Brian Yee

Hey, Samir...What can I say?? It's no different than trying to convince someone you saw Jesus in the flesh even if you did, right??!! I still say to this day, that he's penned up in some institution thanks to non believers.....

Samir

hehe...I would love to race an M5...that would be a more accurate comparison since they both share V8s.

55-BEAR

Since I own both, a 2001 M5 & a 2002 CLK55, I can tell you this....... on a straight line run ........ He who gets the "hole shot" usually wins. Also M5 driver must have perfect shifts, or he will lose the contest. Running on the "twisties" the M5 is king !!

Bjorn

Isnt the clk55 cabrio a lot slower than the coupe?

55-BEAR

Hi Bjorn,

Yup, Just about 1 second slower to 60........

Bear

ItsJ2

Its very easy to understand why a M3 or even a M5 would lose to a CLK55, to reach the 0-60 #'s claimed by the magzine you either have to be pro driver or properly trained, it would be very lucky if a normal drive can hit the # 20% of the time,

given that, I wuold add 0.5+ seconds driver error for a M3 or M5, that put them both in the 5+ seconds territory, clearly slower than a CLK55,

but i have to admit on paper or in the hand of a pro driver, both the m3 & m5 is quicker than clk55.

just IMHO.

Samir

I totally agree...this post was never intended to put down the M3, but rather prove that unless you know how to shift properly, the CLK55 will win 9/10 times. It's just too bad that AMG doesn't offer a manual transmission.

Walden

however, if you have the 2002 M3 SMG II, the CLK55 will be in trouble. you should consistently get sub-5 sec. mark for 0-60 and mid/low 13s for the 1/4 mile. this i hard to beat.
they say the SMG II engages clutch and shifts in less than .08-.15 sec.
that is pretty fast...

what does everyone think? i think SMG is the future...

Samir

Actually, the manual transmission is still quicker than the SMG 0-60. I believe all the magazines got over 5 seconds for the SMG 0-60.

kingman18

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AolHoward

You are 100% right !!

Faster on paper but on street is a different story .......

Fast Eddy

THis topic still here? All they know how to do in their M3 and M5's is Donuts in the parking lot and not much more.
I can not understand why BMw posts numbers wich are very hard to proove. THe same with the new BMW 745-- on their page they claimed 0-60 in 5.9 sec. BUT edmunds.com review posted 6.2 sec. and british magazine auto cross or something like that posted 6.3 time. IN the new issue of Automobile magazine S500 at 0-60 in 6.0 sec beat new BMW 7 at 6.2 sec. I don't know how BMW got that number but it has to have been with half the car missing to make it lighter and probably on auto pilot and the car is automatic so all you have to do is punch it no need to play it like clavecin as in manual case. What ever they post has to be viewd with extreme caution.

Deejay Falco

I'm gonna speak like an adult here so please don't flame me if you want to respond--speak to me like an adult in return please, thanks.

All I know is that video doesn't prove anything. It's a simple street race and that's all it is. There are no professional drivers in both cars that weigh the same. Comon guys, think about this like a science experiment. Yeah, remember those, in High School? You compare various variables under the SAME conditions. This would mean stock vs. stock, same type of fuel, same TYPE of tires, same driver capabilities, same weights of drivers--heck you can go on forever. You can even talk about how one car warmed up longer than the other or how the part of the asphalt one car was under had more traction than another.

Finally, when you have all these "control" variables under control, and when both cars launch at the same time at their best capabilities, you will see who wins. Now you may ask, "how do I control so many variables?"

It's quite simple.

These very specific variables are controlled by the very companies that build the cars: BMW and MB. They take professional drivers onto the track and record their speeds. The time given for a 0-60 is NOT the best time out of a number of trials, rather, it is an average of SEVERAL trial runs that have been recorded under the SAME ideal road conditions that ALL cars are driven on. Without this "standard," there would be no way to compare cars. This standard is allegorical to the French SI Metric system. Instead of people debating over how long "3 Feet" are, (which, when the foot measurement was created, was based on the size of the foot of the King of England,) there is now a standard the entire world and scientists can base their facts on.

Therefore, the numbers are displayed in manuals and magazines that come from the very manufacturers that they are describing, do in fact tell us the truth of the quickness of the vehicle.

Looking at the CLK55 0-60 Speeds: ~5.1-5.2 Seconds
Looking at the E46 M3 0-60 Speeds ~4.7-4.8 Seconds

It doesn't take an idiot to read the data above. The E46 ///M3 is simply quicker than the CLK55.

The reason the video is nonsense is because neither of the drivers are professional. There should be no CLK-55 owners saying their car is faster than an E46-M3 just because an idiot didn't know how to drive his M3 or vice/versa.

If you want to argue that the CLK 55 is quicker based on that video, you're making a mistake. If you're arguing that the CLK 55 is quicker, your only argument is that the CLK 55 had a much better driver than the E46 M3. Plain and simple.

My 2 cents.

John

P.S. And in no way am I biased in any sense. The only thing I am arguing is that no one should base THEIR arguments about the quickness of their vehicle based on an amateur race between a CLK 55 and an E46 M3. Finally, flaming the "noise" that the M3 makes is just ridiculous and childish.

kingman18

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AolHoward

Maybe I am not a good stick shift driver but how many of you normal drivers can actually achieve the 4.7 seconds posted by BMW ??

the correct # for CLK55 is 4.9, if the M3 miss a shift, game over !!

vivianlove

I don't know what is my time, whether is 4.7 or not but I never lost to a CLK55.

Agree what Deejay Falco said

Mach430

Time for me to chime in:
Being that we have both an E46 M3 and an E55, and in the past a CLK55, I can tell you that the 55's are faster than the E46 M3. This is assuming that both cars have perfect starts and perfect shifts. If I had to choose either an M3 or CLK55 and leave it stock, I would choose an M3 based on its peformance/handling. The M3's ability to out negoitate the CLK55 on turns is what grabs me. As far as aesthetics, I find both cars to be quite attractive, but in their own ways. The M3 in my opinion looks sportier than a CLK, but it is supposed to. The CLK is a GT car, and offers much more in terms of luxury. Again, the CLK55 is faster, but compare the average drivers of both cars. A typical M3 owner is a car fanatic. They buy an M3 because they love sports cars, and drive it like one at every chance they get. The typical CLK55 owner buys the car because it is the best CLK available. In many cases, they almost never punch it. This both makes them far less experienced when it comes to a race, and effects their car's computer, as it adapts to each individual's driving.

Bottom line. The CLK55 is faster on a straight course, than an E46 M3 (assuming both run perfectly). On a track, assuming that both drivers are equally skilled, the E46 M3 will beat the CLK.

e46m3racer

Hello all. First time post for me.

Hi Samir. I don't know if we have met before. I'm Rod...I have a 2001 Jet Black M3. I was at this TuningWerks show where you show the picture of the LSB M3 you raced.

Out of curiosity...when did you race this Laguna Seca Blue M3. Was it a while ago?

Thanks.

Rod
2001 Jet Black M3

CLK 69

4.8 Sec 02 BMW M3 Datasheet

4.8 Sec 02 BMW M5 Datasheet

2: BMW AG preliminary test results. Actual acceleration results may vary, depending on specification of vehicle; road and environmental conditions; testing procedures and driving style. These results should be used for comparison only and verification should not be attempted on public roads

4.9 Sec 02 CLK55 Performance Sheet

1. Stated rates of acceleration are based upon manufacturer's track results and may vary depending on model, environmental and road surface conditions, driving style, elevation and vehicle load.

Thx vivianlove

vivianlove

To CLK69:

[www.bmwusa.com] listed 4.8 Sec

kingman18

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