Future Value of CLK63 Black Edition
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An interesting topic to say the least. Kudos Loren for bringing this up
Well here's my shot at this.... I think the the only appreciation we will see in the future is the clear fact that AMG finally listened and brought out a beautiful car for us to enjoy. Seeing how current prices of previous models that AMG has produced leaves little doubt that these cars will not hold their value. It won't be long before something new shows up on the horizon.
Also not many people have a 135k laying about so we look upon a used car market to entertain us. I also believe this is the fate that our high end cars will suffer regardless of manufacture.
Well here's my shot at this.... I think the the only appreciation we will see in the future is the clear fact that AMG finally listened and brought out a beautiful car for us to enjoy. Seeing how current prices of previous models that AMG has produced leaves little doubt that these cars will not hold their value. It won't be long before something new shows up on the horizon.
Also not many people have a 135k laying about so we look upon a used car market to entertain us. I also believe this is the fate that our high end cars will suffer regardless of manufacture.
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Is this a Brabus or tunner upgrade on an Silver Arrows SL65? Nevertheless, it sounds like a blinged out SL.I don't think the Clk 63 black falls in this category.
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CLK 63 Black Series
FYI,
Both Bobby Rahal and Rodger Penske are buying their CLK 63 Black Series.
Respectfully they have both been at the top of the game and have devoted their lives and careers to cars. They both own Mercedes dealerships and can drive whatever they want. There is some magic to these cars!
BTW Rahals is Silver, Penske's is black.
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Both Bobby Rahal and Rodger Penske are buying their CLK 63 Black Series.
Respectfully they have both been at the top of the game and have devoted their lives and careers to cars. They both own Mercedes dealerships and can drive whatever they want. There is some magic to these cars!
BTW Rahals is Silver, Penske's is black.
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FYI,
Both Bobby Rahal and Rodger Penske are buying their CLK 63 Black Series.
Respectfully they have both been at the top of the game and have devoted their lives and careers to cars. They both own Mercedes dealerships and can drive whatever they want. There is some magic to these cars!
BTW Rahals is Silver, Penske's is black.
rockg55
Both Bobby Rahal and Rodger Penske are buying their CLK 63 Black Series.
Respectfully they have both been at the top of the game and have devoted their lives and careers to cars. They both own Mercedes dealerships and can drive whatever they want. There is some magic to these cars!
BTW Rahals is Silver, Penske's is black.
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[QUOTE=rockg55;2381409]FYI, Both Bobby Rahal and Rodger Penske are buying their CLK 63 Black Series. /QUOTE]
This has absolutely zero significance. They are both car dealers and can buy them at cost. Also, they can (and will) advertise these things and dump them on idiots buyers at any time for ten of thousand of dollars more than they paid. They can use them for promotional purposes. Both guys have so much money, this transaction (to them) is like the equivilent to you and I driving through McDonalds.
I am a huge AMG fan and also love this car, but it being priced at $140k is completely rediculious. AMG is getting ahead of themselves. It costs $70k more for a body kit, suspension and a steering wheel?
Please, buy one...they are great investments!!
This has absolutely zero significance. They are both car dealers and can buy them at cost. Also, they can (and will) advertise these things and dump them on idiots buyers at any time for ten of thousand of dollars more than they paid. They can use them for promotional purposes. Both guys have so much money, this transaction (to them) is like the equivilent to you and I driving through McDonalds.
I am a huge AMG fan and also love this car, but it being priced at $140k is completely rediculious. AMG is getting ahead of themselves. It costs $70k more for a body kit, suspension and a steering wheel?
Please, buy one...they are great investments!!
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CLK 63 Black Series, 2009 S550, 2011 Range Rover Supercharged, BMW F800 GS Anniv Edition
Originally Posted by abalto
I am a huge AMG fan and also love this car, but it being priced at $140k is completely rediculious. AMG is getting ahead of themselves. It costs $70k more for a body kit, suspension and a steering wheel?
Please, buy one...they are great investments!!
Please, buy one...they are great investments!!
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Also, different intake, reprogrammed transmission, a 6% shorter drive ratio, factory forged wheels, the wider track requires totally new axles and carriers, the rotors are not composite, the floating hubs are...what else....factory carbon fiber wide body, strut braces front and rear, factory headers, camber plates, new lightweight roof w/out sunroof...I could keep going but this debate is getting old already.
If you think you can do all this to a regular CLK 63 coupe (which you cannot even get in the US) and make it look as good as a factory product WITH A WARRANTY, and come in under $138,375, you are sorely mistaken. Think about the R&D, retooling, new one off bits and pieces and the machening that took place to create this car. The simple fact is that no one could build this car using aftermarket parts and have it be anywhere near the caliber vehicle AMG built, again, with a full factory warranty.
If you think you can do all this to a regular CLK 63 coupe (which you cannot even get in the US) and make it look as good as a factory product WITH A WARRANTY, and come in under $138,375, you are sorely mistaken. Think about the R&D, retooling, new one off bits and pieces and the machening that took place to create this car. The simple fact is that no one could build this car using aftermarket parts and have it be anywhere near the caliber vehicle AMG built, again, with a full factory warranty.
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2008 G55 - 2008 CLK 63 Black Series
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[QUOTE=abalto;2381740]
You know I just might do that!
rockG55
FYI, Both Bobby Rahal and Rodger Penske are buying their CLK 63 Black Series. /QUOTE]
This has absolutely zero significance. They are both car dealers and can buy them at cost. Also, they can (and will) advertise these things and dump them on idiots buyers at any time for ten of thousand of dollars more than they paid. They can use them for promotional purposes. Both guys have so much money, this transaction (to them) is like the equivilent to you and I driving through McDonalds.
I am a huge AMG fan and also love this car, but it being priced at $140k is completely rediculious. AMG is getting ahead of themselves. It costs $70k more for a body kit, suspension and a steering wheel?
Please, buy one...they are great investments!!
This has absolutely zero significance. They are both car dealers and can buy them at cost. Also, they can (and will) advertise these things and dump them on idiots buyers at any time for ten of thousand of dollars more than they paid. They can use them for promotional purposes. Both guys have so much money, this transaction (to them) is like the equivilent to you and I driving through McDonalds.
I am a huge AMG fan and also love this car, but it being priced at $140k is completely rediculious. AMG is getting ahead of themselves. It costs $70k more for a body kit, suspension and a steering wheel?
Please, buy one...they are great investments!!
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this is a good post for me because i just got home from buying a gl550 for my wife, and the salesman ask if i like cars, sure i say, he asks if id like a black series, sure i say. let me kick it around.
my wife knows the car already because my brother has been waiting for one and we were all excited for him but then he backed out of an over msrp deal and bought an rs4 instead...
my wife is a benz fanatic now she wants to buy me one for xmas. go figure. so should i sell my z06 vette and get a BS? im really feeling the need for a white standard gt3. but this BS gets my juices flowing. and i like the fact that i can go auto in traffic. nice. what about rev matching when downshifting?
resale shmeesale...its a toy. a very expensive toy.
my wife knows the car already because my brother has been waiting for one and we were all excited for him but then he backed out of an over msrp deal and bought an rs4 instead...
my wife is a benz fanatic now she wants to buy me one for xmas. go figure. so should i sell my z06 vette and get a BS? im really feeling the need for a white standard gt3. but this BS gets my juices flowing. and i like the fact that i can go auto in traffic. nice. what about rev matching when downshifting?
resale shmeesale...its a toy. a very expensive toy.
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I think you answered your own question.
The GT3 has a slight performance edge (track) and the BS has the daily driveability edge (auto tranny and ride height).
Neither one gives up much in the fun department, and If I was going to do more track days (GT3) and more street driving (BS).
There is no wrong answer, just choice... and if you enjoy them as they are supposed to be used then future value is irrelevant..it is all about present value (imo).
The GT3 has a slight performance edge (track) and the BS has the daily driveability edge (auto tranny and ride height).
Neither one gives up much in the fun department, and If I was going to do more track days (GT3) and more street driving (BS).
There is no wrong answer, just choice... and if you enjoy them as they are supposed to be used then future value is irrelevant..it is all about present value (imo).
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It's a car and someone is going to take a hit driving it off the lot new. If you are worried about loosing 30% instead of 15%, just don't buy it new. Besides that just enjoy the fact you can have one in the first place. AMG is a luxury not a investment.
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The BS is BS. The CLK DTM will hold its value but this will not.
Think about it. My 1999 E55 was the E63 of 1999, its only 2008 and and the car went from 70k to 15k. I remember when the 211 E55 was hot and everyone wanted one. Now dealers can't get rid of them for high 30s with low miles.
Low mileage wont help either.... because alot of people know that even though it has 4000 miles it probably spent 50%+ of its life above 4000 rpms. I mean come on who buys a BS to drive it normally.
When the SLC BS comes out this thing will be worth nothing. It will be popular, so soon we will see ML63 BS and E63 BS and then it will mean nothing just like AMG means nothing these days.
You rich people are your own worst enemies. If you can drop 150k on car then you will be able to buy the best next thing, youll get bored so youll sell it for what you owe on it or sell it for low retail to some *** hole used car dealer.. oops.... i mean high-end motorsport dealer. the prices will get lower as you pawn them off after youve raped them at willow springs or LACR for next to nothing. In a year or 2 there will be a AUDI RS9 or something like that. Or lambo or new ferarri.. you catch my drift.
Ill be picking one up in 2015 for 30k hopefully i can find a white one. Or maybe 25k if i just want a standard CLK 63 AMG
Think about it. My 1999 E55 was the E63 of 1999, its only 2008 and and the car went from 70k to 15k. I remember when the 211 E55 was hot and everyone wanted one. Now dealers can't get rid of them for high 30s with low miles.
Low mileage wont help either.... because alot of people know that even though it has 4000 miles it probably spent 50%+ of its life above 4000 rpms. I mean come on who buys a BS to drive it normally.
When the SLC BS comes out this thing will be worth nothing. It will be popular, so soon we will see ML63 BS and E63 BS and then it will mean nothing just like AMG means nothing these days.
You rich people are your own worst enemies. If you can drop 150k on car then you will be able to buy the best next thing, youll get bored so youll sell it for what you owe on it or sell it for low retail to some *** hole used car dealer.. oops.... i mean high-end motorsport dealer. the prices will get lower as you pawn them off after youve raped them at willow springs or LACR for next to nothing. In a year or 2 there will be a AUDI RS9 or something like that. Or lambo or new ferarri.. you catch my drift.
Ill be picking one up in 2015 for 30k hopefully i can find a white one. Or maybe 25k if i just want a standard CLK 63 AMG
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CLK 63 AMG Black
The BS is BS. The CLK DTM will hold its value but this will not.
Think about it. My 1999 E55 was the E63 of 1999, its only 2008 and and the car went from 70k to 15k. I remember when the 211 E55 was hot and everyone wanted one. Now dealers can't get rid of them for high 30s with low miles.
Low mileage wont help either.... because alot of people know that even though it has 4000 miles it probably spent 50%+ of its life above 4000 rpms. I mean come on who buys a BS to drive it normally.
When the SLC BS comes out this thing will be worth nothing. It will be popular, so soon we will see ML63 BS and E63 BS and then it will mean nothing just like AMG means nothing these days.
You rich people are your own worst enemies. If you can drop 150k on car then you will be able to buy the best next thing, youll get bored so youll sell it for what you owe on it or sell it for low retail to some *** hole used car dealer.. oops.... i mean high-end motorsport dealer. the prices will get lower as you pawn them off after youve raped them at willow springs or LACR for next to nothing. In a year or 2 there will be a AUDI RS9 or something like that. Or lambo or new ferarri.. you catch my drift.
Ill be picking one up in 2015 for 30k hopefully i can find a white one. Or maybe 25k if i just want a standard CLK 63 AMG
Think about it. My 1999 E55 was the E63 of 1999, its only 2008 and and the car went from 70k to 15k. I remember when the 211 E55 was hot and everyone wanted one. Now dealers can't get rid of them for high 30s with low miles.
Low mileage wont help either.... because alot of people know that even though it has 4000 miles it probably spent 50%+ of its life above 4000 rpms. I mean come on who buys a BS to drive it normally.
When the SLC BS comes out this thing will be worth nothing. It will be popular, so soon we will see ML63 BS and E63 BS and then it will mean nothing just like AMG means nothing these days.
You rich people are your own worst enemies. If you can drop 150k on car then you will be able to buy the best next thing, youll get bored so youll sell it for what you owe on it or sell it for low retail to some *** hole used car dealer.. oops.... i mean high-end motorsport dealer. the prices will get lower as you pawn them off after youve raped them at willow springs or LACR for next to nothing. In a year or 2 there will be a AUDI RS9 or something like that. Or lambo or new ferarri.. you catch my drift.
Ill be picking one up in 2015 for 30k hopefully i can find a white one. Or maybe 25k if i just want a standard CLK 63 AMG
My 1994 BMW 850 CSI -production 100 cars for USA, cost $104,000 new when I bought it and sold for $28,500 when I sold it in 2007 with 160,000 miles. So it cost 47 cents a mile to drive. (1994 dollars)
My daughter's 2006 Jetta costs about $300/month for 12,000 miles, so it costs 30 cents a mile
When all is said and done, the BS will probably cost me somewhat over $1.00 per mile (I drive my cars). That really isn't much different than a BMW lease. I'm not losing any sleep. AS
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The BS is BS. The CLK DTM will hold its value but this will not.
Think about it. My 1999 E55 was the E63 of 1999, its only 2008 and and the car went from 70k to 15k. I remember when the 211 E55 was hot and everyone wanted one. Now dealers can't get rid of them for high 30s with low miles.
Low mileage wont help either.... because alot of people know that even though it has 4000 miles it probably spent 50%+ of its life above 4000 rpms. I mean come on who buys a BS to drive it normally.
When the SLC BS comes out this thing will be worth nothing. It will be popular, so soon we will see ML63 BS and E63 BS and then it will mean nothing just like AMG means nothing these days.
You rich people are your own worst enemies. If you can drop 150k on car then you will be able to buy the best next thing, youll get bored so youll sell it for what you owe on it or sell it for low retail to some *** hole used car dealer.. oops.... i mean high-end motorsport dealer. the prices will get lower as you pawn them off after youve raped them at willow springs or LACR for next to nothing. In a year or 2 there will be a AUDI RS9 or something like that. Or lambo or new ferarri.. you catch my drift.
Ill be picking one up in 2015 for 30k hopefully i can find a white one. Or maybe 25k if i just want a standard CLK 63 AMG
Think about it. My 1999 E55 was the E63 of 1999, its only 2008 and and the car went from 70k to 15k. I remember when the 211 E55 was hot and everyone wanted one. Now dealers can't get rid of them for high 30s with low miles.
Low mileage wont help either.... because alot of people know that even though it has 4000 miles it probably spent 50%+ of its life above 4000 rpms. I mean come on who buys a BS to drive it normally.
When the SLC BS comes out this thing will be worth nothing. It will be popular, so soon we will see ML63 BS and E63 BS and then it will mean nothing just like AMG means nothing these days.
You rich people are your own worst enemies. If you can drop 150k on car then you will be able to buy the best next thing, youll get bored so youll sell it for what you owe on it or sell it for low retail to some *** hole used car dealer.. oops.... i mean high-end motorsport dealer. the prices will get lower as you pawn them off after youve raped them at willow springs or LACR for next to nothing. In a year or 2 there will be a AUDI RS9 or something like that. Or lambo or new ferarri.. you catch my drift.
Ill be picking one up in 2015 for 30k hopefully i can find a white one. Or maybe 25k if i just want a standard CLK 63 AMG
Just so you have a perspective on "rich people" I'm closer to poverty than then hanging out with guys like the Sultan of Brunei who's another car guy ruining the value of the next best thing. But thanks for the economics lesson. I'm waiting for the Sultan to sell his Ferrari FXX for 30k in 2097....
if I'm still alive.
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CLK63 Black Series
It seems sad to me that people are worried about the future pricing of these cars. They will be priced at a fair value for the market at the time. For right now, I just want to say that I thoroughly enjoy driving mine (and I don't even have it fully broken in - only a little more than 1,000 miles). I smile every time I slip into the car, press the start button, and hear the engine snap to life with a mellow bark. The car is refined, sort of like a well-trained rottweiler that has just been groomed. Ready to attack with ferocity on command (if necessary), but refined and social enough to fit in anywhere.
Unlike previous cars that I had in earlier years, this car is refined enough to allow my wife to drive it without trepidation, yet has enough total potential to challenge the limits of my driving ability. And, obviously the car is a true danger to one being able to retain a driver's license . . . every corner is a challenge, and all speed limits seem to be set impossibly low. I must get this car on the track soon, so I can safely enjoy all that it has to offer.
JDB
Unlike previous cars that I had in earlier years, this car is refined enough to allow my wife to drive it without trepidation, yet has enough total potential to challenge the limits of my driving ability. And, obviously the car is a true danger to one being able to retain a driver's license . . . every corner is a challenge, and all speed limits seem to be set impossibly low. I must get this car on the track soon, so I can safely enjoy all that it has to offer.
JDB
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I saw Bobby Rahal's CLK63 BS in his garage not too long ago.. Took some nice pictures. This was the first time I saw such a car and I can tell you it was a good impression. His son insisted on taking the car out before the night was over. It had under 100 miles at this point.. Awesome exhaust note
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[QUOTE=AndyW210E55;2534805]The BS is BS. The CLK DTM will hold its value but this will not.
Actually the CLK DTM does not hold its value very well at all. Go to the Mobile.de site and you will see one with only 3000 ticks on the odo selling for a cool 100K Euro off of list price.
The only way to beat the depreciation game is to buy used but in top condition and then keep the car a long time and drive it A LOT. Which means in the case of the BS you better not get the racing seats ....
Actually the CLK DTM does not hold its value very well at all. Go to the Mobile.de site and you will see one with only 3000 ticks on the odo selling for a cool 100K Euro off of list price.
The only way to beat the depreciation game is to buy used but in top condition and then keep the car a long time and drive it A LOT. Which means in the case of the BS you better not get the racing seats ....
Last edited by neilbo75; Dec 9, 2007 at 06:09 PM.
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CLK 63 AMG Black
Without a doubt, if the government had given away BS ownership coupons (Redeem for one free CLK BS!!!) things would be even worse, but just a little worse.
As far as I could tell from today's newspaper, the only group not receiving government money is the CLK BS owners group, and a few Ferrari guys. Everyone else gets enough to buy one Corsa. AS
