"The Hits keep on coming" for Black Series vehicles
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2008 CLK 63 Black Series, 2013 G63, 2014 RS5 Coupe, 2013 JKUR 10A
Since the “lip” is a transition to a thinner part of the wheel, it would stand to reason that the Alcoa’s, with the lip near the spokes, would be the lighter version. It appears that the early cars, June – approx Aug., had the Alcoa wheels, and then they transitioned to Avus. Definitely not cool to mix them on the same car though. I guess the value of my spare set of Alcoa’s just went up. 
BTW the original Black Series wheels were made by AVUS, the current ones are made by Alcoa as mentioned by other commentators. Other German brand tuners use USA made wheels as well. .....then mark them up 5 times and sell them with their brand name. Part of a Global economy!!
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'08 CLK Black, '08 SL65, '17 SL65, '07 SL55, '20 E63S Wagon, '22 E450 All Terrain
I took delivery of my BS on Aug 25 - one of the very first delivered. Its build date was 6/07 (not 7/07 like I said earlier). It has Alcoa wheels. The only mention of a build date for a car with Avus wheels I have seen, here and on 6Speed, was Oct or later. So now I'm not sure when the Avus and Alcoa wheels came out - maybe they were both there all along.
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clk63 amg black series
different wheels
I checked mine today--left side front and rear both have the lip inside the wheel. Right side front and rear do not have it.
Has anyone obtained an answer from his dealer on this?
Has anyone obtained an answer from his dealer on this?
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why are you guys going after the dealer? you should take it up to MB or AMG directly. if all of you guys from this forum start calling in with complaints they may solve everyones problem instead of each of you individually solving your problem at the dealer. but then again, the dealers will end up hitting up mercedes for the cost and mercedes can be notified that way.
has anyone posted about this issue on the AMG lounge?
has anyone posted about this issue on the AMG lounge?
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08 SL55
After all the discussion about mismatched wheels I went out to the garage and looked at mine. Here is what I found:
Three different types of the same wheel?
Both rear wheels have the lip away from the spokes.
Left front wheel has the lip close to the spokes.
Right front wheel has NO lip at all! None... Nadda!
Build date was 08/08.
Three different types of the same wheel?
Both rear wheels have the lip away from the spokes.
Left front wheel has the lip close to the spokes.
Right front wheel has NO lip at all! None... Nadda!
Build date was 08/08.
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Chuck, I think you meant build date was 08/07. Mine is the same as yours. Build date is 08/07 and rears are the same with the lip away from the spokes and left front has lip close to spokes and right front has no lip.
After all the discussion about mismatched wheels I went out to the garage and looked at mine. Here is what I found:
Three different types of the same wheel?
Both rear wheels have the lip away from the spokes.
Left front wheel has the lip close to the spokes.
Right front wheel has NO lip at all! None... Nadda!
Build date was 08/08.
Three different types of the same wheel?
Both rear wheels have the lip away from the spokes.
Left front wheel has the lip close to the spokes.
Right front wheel has NO lip at all! None... Nadda!
Build date was 08/08.
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08 SL55
Thanks Steve, yes, you're right I meant 08/07. Interesting, why do you suppose the cars have 3 different types of wheels? At the very least it's nice to see two cars built the same month have the same set up. We bought ours used (with 245 miles) but you never know....
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2008 CLK 63 Black Series, 2013 G63, 2014 RS5 Coupe, 2013 JKUR 10A
Thats what i would have thought but the guy posting on 6speedonline who weighed the wheels appears to be saying the Alcoa wheel is heavier.
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2008 CLK 63 Black Series, 2013 G63, 2014 RS5 Coupe, 2013 JKUR 10A
I believe there are only two types of wheels. I believe the front wheels with no lips are the equivalent to the rears with the lips away from the spokes and were all made by AVUS. Because of the smaller width of the fronts they don't have the extra lip away from the spokes that appears on the rears. If anybody has a front wheel with a lip away from the spokes, please let us know.
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CLK 63 AMG Black
I believe there are only two types of wheels. I believe the front wheels with no lips are the equivalent to the rears with the lips away from the spokes and were all made by AVUS. Because of the smaller width of the fronts they don't have the extra lip away from the spokes that appears on the rears. If anybody has a front wheel with a lip away from the spokes, please let us know.
My original rear rims have the large lip ( the rise is close to the spokes). The new rear rims are the oppisite.
In the future, may we refer to the large lip as "Labia majora" and the small ip as "Labia minora" ? AS
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08 SL55
I believe there are only two types of wheels. I believe the front wheels with no lips are the equivalent to the rears with the lips away from the spokes and were all made by AVUS. Because of the smaller width of the fronts they don't have the extra lip away from the spokes that appears on the rears. If anybody has a front wheel with a lip away from the spokes, please let us know.
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It is pretty strange. I got mine used as well with 1200 miles on it. Something is definitely not right with this. I could see them using different wheels on the front vs rear but not on the same axle. It is amazing that this is happening to so many cars. Our cars were build pretty close to each other so you think they could have used one of your front with mine and one of mine with yours and we both won't have an issue or at least we'd have the same rim and on the right and left side of the car.
I have an appointment on Thursday for a new driver's side rocker panel. The original one was not clipped in behind the driver's door and it caused it to crack on in the wheel well so I need an entire rocker panel as it is all one piece. That was a couple of months ago and it took to now to get the part.
I have an appointment on Thursday for a new driver's side rocker panel. The original one was not clipped in behind the driver's door and it caused it to crack on in the wheel well so I need an entire rocker panel as it is all one piece. That was a couple of months ago and it took to now to get the part.
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2008 CLK 63 Black Series, 2013 G63, 2014 RS5 Coupe, 2013 JKUR 10A
why are you guys going after the dealer? you should take it up to MB or AMG directly. if all of you guys from this forum start calling in with complaints they may solve everyones problem instead of each of you individually solving your problem at the dealer. but then again, the dealers will end up hitting up mercedes for the cost and mercedes can be notified that way.
has anyone posted about this issue on the AMG lounge?
has anyone posted about this issue on the AMG lounge?
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Had my car in to get the cracked rocker panel and also told them about the wheel. They got permission from Mercedes to get a new front wheel although they don't know which one they'll get as it there is only 1 part number. Service rep said that Mercedes doesn't believe there it would cause any type of performance issue.
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Has anybody else made note of the weight difference between the USA & Italy made wheels and what it is..?
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An Update on the Wheels Issues...
1st: The tire installer mounted a front tire on a rear rim and that was the cause of the rim rubbing on the tie rod.
2nd: The supplier of BS wheels to Mercedes changed sometime during the vehicle's build. And the current MB official CLK63 BS wheel is made in USA by ALCOA.
3rd: And the people of Mercedes who came to my shop and Looked, Measured & Photographed the two sets of wheels I have, were Super to deal with and very knowledgeable.
My feelings are these MBUSA people are our lifeline to AMG as to what we want and expect of AMG in the future.
Jim
1st: The tire installer mounted a front tire on a rear rim and that was the cause of the rim rubbing on the tie rod.
2nd: The supplier of BS wheels to Mercedes changed sometime during the vehicle's build. And the current MB official CLK63 BS wheel is made in USA by ALCOA.
3rd: And the people of Mercedes who came to my shop and Looked, Measured & Photographed the two sets of wheels I have, were Super to deal with and very knowledgeable.
My feelings are these MBUSA people are our lifeline to AMG as to what we want and expect of AMG in the future.
Jim
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I am not aware of any company wide official policy yet. However, after three months of waiting and my dealership talking to various MB reps who all expressed surprise and had no prior knowledge of the issue still, they have finally replaced one of my wheels. I originally had 3 Avus wheels (no lip) and 1 Alcoa on the rear. They gave me a new Alcoa for the rear so I now have matching rears (Alcoa) and matching fronts (Avus).
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I hope I dont sound like a complete dillweed when I ask this but Where are you looking when you say there is a lip ? form the inside of the wheel or the outside. I looked from the outside and all four wheels are the same. Should I be looking at the inside of the wheels to see the make?
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The manufacturer location is on the inside of the mounting plate, so the wheel needs to be off in order to view it.
There is a visible lip which can be seen when the wheels are on the car, it's noticeable whether it's closer to the inside of the tire or the outside. If all 4 match, you're in good shape.
There is a visible lip which can be seen when the wheels are on the car, it's noticeable whether it's closer to the inside of the tire or the outside. If all 4 match, you're in good shape.
