Is Ceramic Brake really necessary for GT R order?
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If you track the car hard this is really important IMHO, as the major costs associated with the CCM braking system is of course having to replace a rotor. It will be interesting to find out if the GT R's CCM rotors are the same Brembo CCM disc that is found on certain GM products like the C7 Z06/7. If so replacement costs will be far cheaper.
CCM brakes can make 'noise' on the street, but modern systems much less that ones from 5-10 years ago. Also, high performance iron brakes can also make even more noise when equipped with 'track' compatible pads. I have always been able to eliminate the noise from the CCMs on my Z06/7 by doing some rapid stops, although base line noise has been minimal to begin with.
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I would agree. If you're going to drive this car to coffee and caffeine shows no, but if you buy this car you have to track it once or twice a year and quite frankly not having to replace the brakes in your lifetime or probably the next person in line is worth it.
What brake dust?
What brake dust?
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I would agree. If you're going to drive this car to coffee and caffeine shows no, but if you buy this car you have to track it once or twice a year and quite frankly not having to replace the brakes in your lifetime or probably the next person in line is worth it.
What brake dust?
What brake dust?
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No I think I probably would've gotten ceramics if I had to do it again I mean my wheels get destroyed every three days so I'm hoping for some Pads that fix it. I have spent 100 hours cleaning my wheels and I'm over it.
Anyway I'm happy with the black powder wheels coat for now......
Anyway I'm happy with the black powder wheels coat for now......
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No I think I probably would've gotten ceramics if I had to do it again I mean my wheels get destroyed every three days so I'm hoping for some Pads that fix it. I have spent 100 hours cleaning my wheels and I'm over it.
Anyway I'm happy with the black powder wheels coat for now......
Anyway I'm happy with the black powder wheels coat for now......
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No I think I probably would've gotten ceramics if I had to do it again I mean my wheels get destroyed every three days so I'm hoping for some Pads that fix it. I have spent 100 hours cleaning my wheels and I'm over it.
Anyway I'm happy with the black powder wheels coat for now......
Anyway I'm happy with the black powder wheels coat for now......
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I'm still on the fence.
Do the Mercedes carbon ceramic brakes have that squish that others do when cold? This is going to be a road car. I'll track it maybe twice in my life. Not dealing with brake dust sounds like a huge plus. So does not having to worry about corrosion on the rotor. But if the brake feel is weird/squishy under normal daily driving...
Do the Mercedes carbon ceramic brakes have that squish that others do when cold? This is going to be a road car. I'll track it maybe twice in my life. Not dealing with brake dust sounds like a huge plus. So does not having to worry about corrosion on the rotor. But if the brake feel is weird/squishy under normal daily driving...
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I'm still on the fence.
Do the Mercedes carbon ceramic brakes have that squish that others do when cold? This is going to be a road car. I'll track it maybe twice in my life. Not dealing with brake dust sounds like a huge plus. So does not having to worry about corrosion on the rotor. But if the brake feel is weird/squishy under normal daily driving...
Do the Mercedes carbon ceramic brakes have that squish that others do when cold? This is going to be a road car. I'll track it maybe twice in my life. Not dealing with brake dust sounds like a huge plus. So does not having to worry about corrosion on the rotor. But if the brake feel is weird/squishy under normal daily driving...
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I would agree. If you're going to drive this car to coffee and caffeine shows no, but if you buy this car you have to track it once or twice a year and quite frankly not having to replace the brakes in your lifetime or probably the next person in line is worth it.
What brake dust?
What brake dust?
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I was "advised" that AMG steel brake can only last up to 30000km street use. I am not sure how realistic that is and the whole brake Pads/Rotors have to be replaced at the same time which can cost nearly 5 figure. Also, says for CCB, the only thing needs to be replaced is the pads. 
I have/had owned several performance cars now and in the past, maybe nothing as extreme as the GT R, but all of them has/had steel brakes and not for once I needed to replace the brake during my ownerships. A few of them had gone as far as 70000km without needing to replace brakes.
It's definitely a nice upgrade, but is it worth paying nearly $16000 after tax? (Canadian dollar here)
I have/had owned several performance cars now and in the past, maybe nothing as extreme as the GT R, but all of them has/had steel brakes and not for once I needed to replace the brake during my ownerships. A few of them had gone as far as 70000km without needing to replace brakes.
It's definitely a nice upgrade, but is it worth paying nearly $16000 after tax? (Canadian dollar here)
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I was "advised" that AMG steel brake can only last up to 30000km street use. I am not sure how realistic that is and the whole brake Pads/Rotors have to be replaced at the same time which can cost nearly 5 figure. Also, says for CCB, the only thing needs to be replaced is the pads.
I have/had owned several performance cars now and in the past, maybe nothing as extreme as the GT R, but all of them has/had steel brakes and not for once I needed to replace the brake during my ownerships. A few of them had gone as far as 70000km without needing to replace brakes.
It's definitely a nice upgrade, but is it worth paying nearly $16000 after tax? (Canadian dollar here)
I have/had owned several performance cars now and in the past, maybe nothing as extreme as the GT R, but all of them has/had steel brakes and not for once I needed to replace the brake during my ownerships. A few of them had gone as far as 70000km without needing to replace brakes.
It's definitely a nice upgrade, but is it worth paying nearly $16000 after tax? (Canadian dollar here)
Bottom line: change the pads when they're getting pretty worn and your rotors when street driven only will last fine.
Road course usage: different 'ballgame'.
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This sounds like typical salesman bull****. If you are just driving the car on the street the iron rotors should last many, many years. The CCM rotor should last the lifetime of the car when only street driven. Pads since they are high performance might only last about 20,000 miles on the iron brakes, and perhaps the same on the CCMs.
Bottom line: change the pads when they're getting pretty worn and your rotors when street driven only will last fine.
Road course usage: different 'ballgame'.
Bish
Bottom line: change the pads when they're getting pretty worn and your rotors when street driven only will last fine.
Road course usage: different 'ballgame'.
Bish
The one year extension to factory warranty was also included.
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I'm still on the fence.
Do the Mercedes carbon ceramic brakes have that squish that others do when cold? This is going to be a road car. I'll track it maybe twice in my life. Not dealing with brake dust sounds like a huge plus. So does not having to worry about corrosion on the rotor. But if the brake feel is weird/squishy under normal daily driving...
Do the Mercedes carbon ceramic brakes have that squish that others do when cold? This is going to be a road car. I'll track it maybe twice in my life. Not dealing with brake dust sounds like a huge plus. So does not having to worry about corrosion on the rotor. But if the brake feel is weird/squishy under normal daily driving...
The brake squeaks are annoying and even with proper bedding can recur, for example after washing the car.
All 3 of the vehicles had CCBs as standard. For street driving exclusively, I would not pay the premium for CCBs and would use the money for the upgraded Burmester and Carbon Fiber trim. YMMV.
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. All the exclusions were very commonsensical excluding of course any track use or racing but you should look into that when you take delivery at that dealer and the extra year of warranty on the car is a real bonus I also paid 2000 for any wheel and or tire damage for five years, as I broke two wheels on my CL in Atlanta. Also transferable.
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I had CCBs on my California, 458 Spider and Huracan. The brake feel is very good and stops on a dime and the absence of brake dust especially with silver rims is a huge plus if you clean the car yourself.
The brake squeaks are annoying and even with proper bedding can recur, for example after washing the car.
All 3 of the vehicles had CCBs as standard. For street driving exclusively, I would not pay the premium for CCBs and would use the money for the upgraded Burmester and Carbon Fiber trim. YMMV.
The brake squeaks are annoying and even with proper bedding can recur, for example after washing the car.
All 3 of the vehicles had CCBs as standard. For street driving exclusively, I would not pay the premium for CCBs and would use the money for the upgraded Burmester and Carbon Fiber trim. YMMV.
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I live 2 blocks from the ocean and have never had an issue with rotors looking like that, even steel ones on vehicles 5 to 9 years old. The ones on my 5 year old 911 had no rust and that was after 20000 miles of daily driving.
I've never had to replace calipers or rotors but it would still be a lot cheaper to get a new set or two of steels than pay for CCBs up front I believe.
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How old are those rotors?
I live 2 blocks from the ocean and have never had an issue with rotors looking like that, even steel ones on vehicles 5 to 9 years old. The ones on my 5 year old 911 had no rust and that was after 20000 miles of daily driving.
I've never had to replace calipers or rotors but it would still be a lot cheaper to get a new set or two of steels than pay for CCBs up front I believe.
I live 2 blocks from the ocean and have never had an issue with rotors looking like that, even steel ones on vehicles 5 to 9 years old. The ones on my 5 year old 911 had no rust and that was after 20000 miles of daily driving.
I've never had to replace calipers or rotors but it would still be a lot cheaper to get a new set or two of steels than pay for CCBs up front I believe.
No idea how old that car is. Just a photo I found on Instagram. My previous car's rotors (Lexus) rusted. But I had that one in CT, NY, and MI where there were winters and salt.
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For sure, I did my residency in Michigan and the road salt is brutal. I would specifically take my SUV to car washes that rinsed the underside of the car.
