I think the GT line was the FiNAL, good grab...
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You hear the same thing with almost every generation of car that “x” is going to be the last great one. There may be some misses in between, but ever since the birth of the automobile they continue to get better and better, and the future will be no different. You heard the same thing with the manual vs dual clutch, N/A vs turbo, but now dual clutches are so fast and smooth and turbos almost have no lag and can produce great sound and suddenly everyone’s on the bandwagon. And if there is a big enough calling, someone like Porsche will bring back the manual option to that niche market and all the prior speculators will watch their investment become another depreciating asset.
Sure regulations change, but automakers adapt, people’s perception change and life goes on with or without you. You really don’t think they will continue to develop the EV market to produce exciting driver cars that even die hard petrol fans will convert over too? The world is too vain to not want the latest, if not the greatest...yet.
Sure regulations change, but automakers adapt, people’s perception change and life goes on with or without you. You really don’t think they will continue to develop the EV market to produce exciting driver cars that even die hard petrol fans will convert over too? The world is too vain to not want the latest, if not the greatest...yet.
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BUT, out of 986HP, 769 is produced by the killer V8....AND, $520K for a summer toy is out of my league. I’m sure there are some here that can afford to play in that arena, I just don’t happen to be one of them. As far as Tesla goes, they look like poorly built Mazdas to me, and the rabid insistence by Tesla owners that you’re eeeevil if you don’t buy one makes me want to flip ‘em the bird.
So, bottom line, I don’t see any kind of EV in my future. Best of luck if that’s your thing.
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Don’t like the Tesla cars but they are pushing battery tech forward. The new battery packs are supposed to be 300 pounds lighter and longer range.
Agree with Orcbolg, the visceral experience is what what makes our cars special. Sure tech and impressions will Change over time, but all the combustible improvements were all about power and how the cars sounded.
The electric only car im eyeballing is the Porsche Tycan. If car comes looking more like the mission E concept, ill drive it and see. The proportions of that car are pretty cool, and styling smallish and very low.
Agree with Orcbolg, the visceral experience is what what makes our cars special. Sure tech and impressions will Change over time, but all the combustible improvements were all about power and how the cars sounded.
The electric only car im eyeballing is the Porsche Tycan. If car comes looking more like the mission E concept, ill drive it and see. The proportions of that car are pretty cool, and styling smallish and very low.
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Don’t like the Tesla cars but they are pushing battery tech forward. The new battery packs are supposed to be 300 pounds lighter and longer range.
Agree with Orcbolg, the visceral experience is what what makes our cars special. Sure tech and impressions will Change over time, but all the combustible improvements were all about power and how the cars sounded.
The electric only car im eyeballing is the Porsche Tycan. If car comes looking more like the mission E concept, ill drive it and see. The proportions of that car are pretty cool, and styling smallish and very low.
Agree with Orcbolg, the visceral experience is what what makes our cars special. Sure tech and impressions will Change over time, but all the combustible improvements were all about power and how the cars sounded.
The electric only car im eyeballing is the Porsche Tycan. If car comes looking more like the mission E concept, ill drive it and see. The proportions of that car are pretty cool, and styling smallish and very low.
https://electrek.co/2018/05/03/tesla...ensity-cobalt/
The batteries in most other EVs are modular and slightly larger than a typical lead acid battery. Current technology on Tesla cars is decidedly 1990s, except for the horrendous computer screen used to control almost everything. Ergonomically the Tesla is pretty much tied with the Trabant. In addition to my GT I have a Q3 (my daughter drives) and an SQ5. I'm very tempted to get the new eTron.
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In its current cars Tesla uses thousands of AA-size batteries.
https://electrek.co/2018/05/03/tesla...ensity-cobalt/
The batteries in most other EVs are modular and slightly larger than a typical lead acid battery. Current technology on Tesla cars is decidedly 1990s, except for the horrendous computer screen used to control almost everything. Ergonomically the Tesla is pretty much tied with the Trabant. In addition to my GT I have a Q3 (my daughter drives) and an SQ5. I'm very tempted to get the new eTron.
https://electrek.co/2018/05/03/tesla...ensity-cobalt/
The batteries in most other EVs are modular and slightly larger than a typical lead acid battery. Current technology on Tesla cars is decidedly 1990s, except for the horrendous computer screen used to control almost everything. Ergonomically the Tesla is pretty much tied with the Trabant. In addition to my GT I have a Q3 (my daughter drives) and an SQ5. I'm very tempted to get the new eTron.
I know that Audi has a lousy lease program but at this point the car in dramatically overpriced (Prestige model, around $89k).
No range, no performance and more expensive than a M5. I can literally get a new 2020 GLE or an iPace for half the money. The the Model S is poorly made and tired looking at this time, pricing has been decreased by $25k plus vs a year or two ago and a P100D with options costs as much as the eTron.
We are also on the list for a Taycan but at this point their performance model appears to land in the $160k range with the usual Porsche options.
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Both the ETron and new EQC appeared to have been hurried attempts to gain a foothold in the market in my opinion. Who in the hell both in Audi and MB thinks that a vehicle with a 200 mile range is going to be successful when the major competitor, Tesla, is selling vehicles with a usable range of 300 miles with a robust rapid charging network, and is soon going to release a version with ranges of up to 400 miles?
I am not crazy about Tesla styling both exterior and interior or with the reported quality issues, but the performance of the brand should be the target IMHO.
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I am not crazy about Tesla styling both exterior and interior or with the reported quality issues, but the performance of the brand should be the target IMHO.
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Both the ETron and new EQC appeared to have been hurried attempts to gain a foothold in the market in my opinion. Who in the hell both in Audi and MB thinks that a vehicle with a 200 mile range is going to be successful when the major competitor, Tesla, is selling vehicles with a usable range of 300 miles with a robust rapid charging network, and is soon going to release a version with ranges of up to 400 miles?
I am not crazy about Tesla styling both exterior and interior or with the reported quality issues, but the performance of the brand should be the target IMHO.
Bish
I am not crazy about Tesla styling both exterior and interior or with the reported quality issues, but the performance of the brand should be the target IMHO.
Bish
They will neither try to appeal to early adopters or single car households. They will market to their usual customer base with cars that feel like a slightly more modern ICE SUV, drive nice and quiet and just plugs in overnight to eliminate gas stations. Gives them the environmental feel good with their neighbors too. Plus a good dealer network helps...
Porsche will want an EV that can perform like an ICE Porsche. And they need to if they want to have a performance EV worthy of the brand. They couldn't screw up like Tesla on the Autobahn...
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"Daily" range is not the issue, of course few people drive 200 miles a day, every day. The issue on range is that people need the same car that they use everyday, for occasional long trips. They don't have/want two cars to be able to do that. I can jump in my gasoline car and drive to Florida on vacation without even thinking about how I am going to fuel it. In addition, it's not easy for everyone to wire their homes/apartments for 220/40A service.
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The key difference of EV assist is not the overall HP but the torque change in the low end.
An electric motor has 100% of it's torque avail at ZERO RPM's.
It can jump in and get you off the line when the ICE is trying to get moving.
And then there is the ability to squeeze in a pair of motors for the front wheels...
As for use case of pure EV. Range matters.
It is not abnormal for me to mid-day determine I need to run to another site 80 miles away then come home.
An electric motor has 100% of it's torque avail at ZERO RPM's.
It can jump in and get you off the line when the ICE is trying to get moving.
And then there is the ability to squeeze in a pair of motors for the front wheels...
As for use case of pure EV. Range matters.
It is not abnormal for me to mid-day determine I need to run to another site 80 miles away then come home.
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Last thing AMG would engineer is a noisier Race mode, when considering the intended track use.
Porsche, for example, remove pops from Sport+, reserving them for C&C (aka Sport) mode.
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Idk about mercilessly, but yes, that is the cause for the beauty that is the car's symphony produced while in Race mode.
