What you should know about Bird Droppings on wax
I am not sure what this graphic response has to do with the topic

But if you have a issue with eclipsisNA's post
you would be better off to PM him. Please don't start with that childish autopia tactic and clutter the board with graphics that make no sense and have nothing to do with the subject matter.
Last edited by TOGWT; Jun 25, 2012 at 06:56 AM.
David Bynon was the owner of autopia. Personally, he was always nice to me and never had any issues with him. It was "his" forum, so I guess he had the right to ban whom ever he wanted to. I am just saying.
We are the most unbiased forum out there. If you post something, it stays there. We do not delete posts.
You can't say that about any of the other detailing forums. Those are heavily moderated and closely watched.
Anyway
David is out of the detailing business, sold autopia.org to 3D in 2009.
Autopia only sells 3D and HD products.
I hope this clears things up for you.
Have a good day.
PS: very proud to be with the 3D/Autopia organization.
No mistake, it is Autopia.org without a doubt, I visited your site and linked directly to it.
Same old posts from swollen headed Dave Bynon, pushing his ancient techniques, porter cables and repackaged products. He was a moderator and or manager and he encouraged "holier than thou" baboon like behavior out of Autopia choir boys. He was responsible for more bannings on autopia than any other moderator, he was the one in charge there when the viruses were released on its members and visitors.
I'm running a virus scan now.
I am not knocking 3D products as a brand, I have not tried them so I have no knowledge as to their performance or originality.
However when you align yourself with a biased outdated site like autopia.org, that has such a bad reputation that goes back for years, it casts a shadow on you your knowledge and your products.
If all your products are original designs, they are strong enough to stand up on their own without the autopia association.
Calling people trolls is another negative autopia quality. It would appear that you are the argumenative one.
You keep coming back for more.
What' wrong with you?
Tom@3D is perfectly capable of defending his point of view, He does not need your help, Now you want to gang up on me?. (That's how they do it on Autopia).
Respect works both ways.
You cannot attack a person with insults and expect them to value anything you have to offer. Now sit down and take notes.
Autopia still has the same posted junk that was there three years ago, so what is the difference?
It was a elitist nut gallery then and there is no indication that it has changed.
You are a prime example of the type of mentality autopia cultured. Shallow minded, know it alls, who are quick to call some else ignorant.
If you like autopia so much, then you should stay there.
There, everyone will agree with you, Nothing new, same old outdated advice. same sticky posts, same videos, no difference.
How can anyone know they won't get the autopia virus if they visit there? I googled autopia virus and there is page after page of posts talking about people who's computers were infected with self replicating viruses, malware, spyware, and warnings not to go to the site.
There was another episode where the while site locked up on one page for days.
Afterwards they lost so many sponsors and followers, Autopia became a sinking ship.
They decided to get rid of it autopia while they still could.
This was not the first time autopia passed on malware to visitors computers.
The concensus was that management was aware of the infection but failed to warn members. People were furious.
Either buyer ignorance or the "autopia jedi mind trick" allowed them to off load it to someone else.
The new owners did not make any effort to clean up any garbage posts attacking businesses, members and products they did not sponsor.
They made no effort to reach out to banned members and inform them there was new management and the banning was a error of past management.
The new management made no effort to seperate themselves from autopia's negative reputation. You still see David Bynon mark all over it, like they are proud of the association with the person who gave autopia such a bad reputation.
As far as most people are concern, it is the same old
"visit at your own risk" Autopia with new sponsors.
Common Mr. Jerry Pittman, do you really think the good people of this forum are going to buy into your spam? You’ve been banned not just from Autopia.org, but almost every other forum you’ve signed up on to shill your crappy product. I’ve tried your miracle Acrylic Paint Conditioner and it’s a joke. I’d rather use the cheapest brand from Target then this stuff. I can honestly say this is the only product I’ve used that actually made my paint look worse. Your videos are even a bigger joke.
I also see your panties are still in a bunch over the whole Autopia incident almost 3 years ago where you tried yet again shilling your product under 3 separate user names, each time being outed and banned in a failed effort to again shill your product. That sure did make you mad didn’t it? So mad that you tried posting around not only other forums, but your pitiful website about how Autopia was infecting people’s computers. Blah, Blah, Blah…You still have it up there too! Talk about sour grapes. Well, those days are long over and Autopia is better then ever from what I can tell! Even more so without people knowing how crappy your product really is. Banning and publically outing you was the best thing Autopia ever did to you!
A simple Google search of your product will yield only you being the shilling mouthpiece. That’s because your product is juke and nobody ever uses it. I certainly hope you don’t rely on this as your only source of income because from the looks it’s failing miserably? I also find it amusing that every detail forum adventure you’ve gone on has failed you miserably as well. The real detailers will walk circles around you. Exact reason why you hang out on low profile auto sites pushing your acrylic agenda.
Here’s the thread that pissed in your wheaties so bad you’ve been vomiting them up ever since:
http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-detailing-product-discussion/96970-pittmans-vaporwax-warning.html
And this one probably gave you a little warm tickle in your backside too:
http://www.autopiaforums.com/forums/detailing-product-reviews/27399-vaporwax.html
Some more examples of your spamming gone wrong:
http://forums.nicoclub.com/the-differance-between-an-acrylic-paint-conditioner-apc-and-wax-t487262.html
http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/tundra/210236-best-shine-ever/
http://dodgeforum.com/forum/detailing/328773-bird-droppings-and-wax-catch-22-a.html
I see TOGWT called for back up.
I knew it, You guys are like a the keystone cops.
so predictable. It never fails the same routine, attack the product attack the website and attack
The owner.
This post is not about a product it is about the effects of bird droppings on organic car wax, what do you have to add? NOTHING.
You want to talk about a product and person that turned your world upside down, and accuse everyone who speaks well of the product of being the owner. A little paranoid David?
Don't you have anything new David Bynon?
I don't know you but I know of you and your bad reputation for insulting people.
Thank you for proving my point by joining this site and showing everyone the simple minded attitude that you fostered at the virus site autopia.org.
It is easy to detect your choir boys, all of you think your association with autopia gives you some sort of power. It doesnt, It just swells your heads to the point where you can't learn anything new.
The side effect is then you think you know it all.
I have never been a member of your virus infested site. There was nothing of value there for anyone with a degree of intelligence.
You filled that forum with yes men, all afraid of being banned.
You would ban people you don't agree with or did not agree with you.
You would ban people who had better products than yours ( that was almost everybody )
You are "so gone in the head" you actually go to other sites and ask the moderators to ban people who don't fall
for your "autopia jedi mind trick".
Your detailing methods are out dated and caused more harm to peoples cars than good.
Every week someone was trying to figure out how to get swirl marks out of their cars after following your bad advice and detailing new acrylic paint with your abrasive products design for yesterdays enamel paints.
Now you're over here trying to get recruits.
What about the multiple IDs you had at Autopia? you were a regular one man gang.
You showed no respect for members and you felt justified in insulting someones intelligence because they disagreed with you. Banning people was a daily event with you.
Funny thing, you no longer own that site, while the site you knock is still under the same managment.
And apparently thriving.
Looks like you are the one with the sour grapes, you can't ban anybody anymore.
Nobody wants to buy your "swirl inducing wax" or your your prehistoric techniques.
I've seen the videos where you push your old tired re-labled products. They are good for a laugh.
Attacking and beating up people verbally will not endear them you or your products. A good product will
stand the test of time, so will advice. Just remember You insulted a lot of people David Bynon.
We all can see what happened to the likes of you.
God dosen't like ugly David. you'd be wise to change your ways
It's really very funny, I am going to have share this with friends. I can think of one person who will really get a good laugh out of this. They will probably post it on their blog.
What does Defeat taste like David Bynon? Kind of bitter like humble pie?
Oh wait, i thnk TOGWT has got someting to say.
LIke clock work.
Why do we have to go to autopia to get some "real facts"?
More of that swollen headed thinking that points you guys out in a crowd.'
There is no longer any reason to continue with this conversation. Thanks to the both of you I have proved my point about autopia and the mentality of the people who support it.
People can take advice from the "Has Been" Davie Bynon and his "parrots" if they choose.
Or they can put my statement to the test and see for themselves that wax contributes to the problem of removing bird droppings. Then pick a non abrasive non wax alternative.
Your issue is. You don't want people to think, you want to defend the usage of wax. You try to divert the subject away from discussing the negatives aspects to serve your individual purpose.
Now you've dug up David Bynon,
That's like waking a sleeping drunk, he wakes up spewing vomit wanting to ban people.
"who's even heard of him outside of autopia circle? "
He is small time, no one of any importance. No one talks about or buys his products. He is essentially a self promoting unknown.
He is a loser, No one remembers his products and he doesn't even have his web site anymore.
Your knowledge and social skills are so limited, It appears that all you do is copy and paste and "Run and Tell it".
Peddle your ignorance elsewere TOGWT, I am bored with you and your childish coping and pasting.
Last edited by sidwynder; Jun 28, 2012 at 11:41 AM.
The Best of Mercedes & AMG
TOTALLY WRONG AS USUAL JERRY PITTMAN.
Here’s a stickied thread at Autopia.org where the new management publically allowed and apologized to all banned members (except you) to return:
http://www.autopia.org/forum/autopia-news-feedback/135297-banned-members-returning-autopia.html
Although I don’t see any of your alias spam names being allowed to return on that list? From what I can tell, they didn’t allow any of the miniscule hit & run spammers to return. I don’t blame them as you are the worst kind of filthy bottom feeders there is.





You sure are a walking contradiction of hate and stupidity. For someone who claims to have never been a member (which is a lie because you and your multiple spam screen names were publically banned), you sure do have a lot to share. Especially about being banned 3 years ago:
I don't know you but I know of you and your bad reputation for insulting people.
Tell that to someone who has not seen first hand how they treat their members, or the reputation for banning members who don't sing with the choir.
Lets not forget the malware and spyware episodes where they infected thousands of computers.
That is a useless childish forum, you can have it.
It is the only Biased detailing forum out there that bans people by the droves, primarily for having a difference of opinion. I call that censorship.
That is true, there is no other site that bans members that want to talk about detailing like autopia.
There is no other site that purposely infects members with viruses and malware.
There is no other site that encourages members to join in and verbally attack anyone who has a different view and ban them if they don't submit.
There is no other forum where the members think they are all experts, and feel justified when they talk down to others.
I don't know these "detailers arount the world", but I do know Autopia and the negative attitude that exists there.
I'm talking about the fools at autopia who join the forums and act like they are gods gift to detailers.
All they do is parrot the same obsolete information.
It is like a broken record or a 24 hour infomercial.
Autopia as a trustworthly site is a oxymoron.
Until autopia cleans up the garbage posts and allow discussion of products they don't sponsor they are a obsolete waste of time. It makes no difference who owns the site.
Any non associated Autopia site will let you voice your opinion about a product or proceedure without getting attacked and banned.
I am interested in new products that are trulely new not just repackaged.
Autopia is all Repackaged, warmed over, yesterdays leavings.
Now in classic Autopia fashion you will report back and get other members to join in and take your side telling everyone how to mar paint with water.
Don't mind me Tom just push your repackaged wax based products and don't challenge me on my knowledge.
That Autopia "jet eye mind trick" only works on the simple minded.
No mistake, it is Autopia.org without a doubt, I visited your site and linked directly to it.
Same old posts from swollen headed Dave Bynon, pushing his ancient techniques, porter cables and repackaged products. He was a moderator and or manager and he encouraged "holier than thou" baboon like behavior out of Autopia choir boys. He was responsible for more bannings on autopia than any other moderator, he was the one in charge there when the viruses were released on its members and visitors.
I'm running a virus scan now.
However when you align yourself with a biased outdated site like autopia.org, that has such a bad reputation that goes back for years, it casts a shadow on you your knowledge and your products.
How can anyone know they won't get the autopia virus if they visit there? I googled autopia virus and there is page after page of posts talking about people who's computers were infected with self replicating viruses, malware, spyware, and warnings not to go to the site.
There was another episode where the while site locked up on one page for days.
Afterwards they lost so many sponsors and followers, Autopia became a sinking ship.
They decided to get rid of it autopia while they still could.
This was not the first time autopia passed on malware to visitors computers.
The concensus was that management was aware of the infection but failed to warn members. People were furious.
Either buyer ignorance or the "autopia jedi mind trick" allowed them to off load it to someone else.
The new owners did not make any effort to clean up any garbage posts attacking businesses, members and products they did not sponsor.
You still see David Bynon mark all over it, like they are proud of the association with the person who gave autopia such a bad reputation.
As far as most people are concern, it is the same old
"visit at your own risk" Autopia with new sponsors.
You want to talk about a product and person that turned your world upside down, and accuse everyone who speaks well of the product of being the owner. A little paranoid David?
Don't you have anything new David Bynon?
I don't know you but I know of you and your bad reputation for insulting people.
Thank you for proving my point by joining this site and showing everyone the simple minded attitude that you fostered at the virus site autopia.org.
It is easy to detect your choir boys, all of you think your association with autopia gives you some sort of power. It doesnt, It just swells your heads to the point where you can't learn anything new.
The side effect is then you think you know it all.
I have never been a member of your virus infested site. There was nothing of value there for anyone with a degree of intelligence.
You filled that forum with yes men, all afraid of being banned.
You would ban people you don't agree with or did not agree with you.
You would ban people who had better products than yours ( that was almost everybody )
You are "so gone in the head" you actually go to other sites and ask the moderators to ban people who don't fall
for your "autopia jedi mind trick".
Your detailing methods are out dated and caused more harm to peoples cars than good.
Every week someone was trying to figure out how to get swirl marks out of their cars after following your bad advice and detailing new acrylic paint with your abrasive products design for yesterdays enamel paints.
Now you're over here trying to get recruits.
What about the multiple IDs you had at Autopia? you were a regular one man gang.
You showed no respect for members and you felt justified in insulting someones intelligence because they disagreed with you. Banning people was a daily event with you.
Funny thing, you no longer own that site, while the site you knock is still under the same managment.
And apparently thriving.
Looks like you are the one with the sour grapes, you can't ban anybody anymore.
Nobody wants to buy your "swirl inducing wax" or your your prehistoric techniques.
I've seen the videos where you push your old tired re-labled products. They are good for a laugh.
Attacking and beating up people verbally will not endear them you or your products. A good product will
stand the test of time, so will advice. Just remember You insulted a lot of people David Bynon.
We all can see what happened to the likes of you.
God dosen't like ugly David. you'd be wise to change your ways
It's really very funny, I am going to have share this with friends. I can think of one person who will really get a good laugh out of this. They will probably post it on their blog.
What does Defeat taste like David Bynon? Kind of bitter like humble pie?
And there you go!
LIke clock work.
Why do we have to go to autopia to get some "real facts"?
More of that swollen headed thinking that points you guys out in a crowd.'
There is no longer any reason to continue with this conversation. Thanks to the both of you I have proved my point about autopia and the mentality of the people who support it.
People can take advice from the "Has Been" Davie Bynon and his "parrots" if they choose.
Or they can put my statement to the test and see for themselves that wax contributes to the problem of removing bird droppings. Then pick a non abrasive non wax alternative.
Your issue is. You don't want people to think, you want to defend the usage of wax. You try to divert the subject away from discussing the negatives aspects to serve your individual purpose.
Now you've dug up David Bynon,
That's like waking a sleeping drunk, he wakes up spewing vomit wanting to ban people.
"who's even heard of him outside of autopia circle? "
He is small time, no one of any importance. No one talks about or buys his products. He is essentially a self promoting unknown.
He is a loser, No one remembers his products and he doesn't even have his web site anymore.
Your knowledge and social skills are so limited, It appears that all you do is copy and paste and "Run and Tell it".
I figured you'd be simple minded enough to come back. I won that bet.
Do you even understand what you are doing?
You've been quite busy for a drunken "has been" David Bynon.
You never figured out that you and your site were used as a advertising mule.
They knew your response to any introduction of a non sponsored product on autopia would not be welcome.
They also knew a direct attack on your re-labled swirl inducing wax product would demand a public response requiring you to spring into attack mode.
You created such controversy about the product it became known internationally. people were courious.
They wanted to know more and many tried it and loved it.
The effect was so positive that in 2009 they sent another team into autopia to revive the post.
The more people that tried it the more who loved it.
A lot of autopia.org members were turned off by your deception on what turned out to be a truly revolutional product.
Even more were turned off by your swirl inducing wax.
They realized you were not honest with your advice and could not be trusted
Eventually your house of cards crumbled.
What was the name of that "re-labeled swirl inducing Bynon wax" you were pushing????? No one knows, no one remebers it, it was nothing special about it, other than the fact your re-labled wax caused swirls in peoples paint.
The fact that you did not have enough sense to realise Enamel and Acrylic paint do not react the same to buffing.
You cannot use enamel restoration processes and products on modern automotive acrylic paint and expect the same results.
That's why youre a "stray" now. trolling what you call "these lower profile forums".
People got tired of you blaming them when your swirl wax messed up their paint. They abandoned you on the side of on the side of the road with the rest of the garbage they did not want.
I have never had to mention the product that tramatized you and whipped you like a step child. it is internationaly known. You have advertised it unwittedly, They used you like toilet paper David.
Anyone who reads your posts. that did not know about the products. may be courious enough to buy some, once They do that they will be like everybody else and love it.
A lot of people make a good living offering services with these products, You are so focused on attacking the owner, That you have created a ground swell of dissaproval from people who see you as a "Bitter loser".
No effort was ever made to attack your re-labled swirl inducing wax product, because we all knew it would kill itself, It was so horrible a wax you needed
a website dedicated to telling people how to use it.
Now Reality sets in and David Bynon finds himself, sucking on sour grapes, a lonely outcast, a failure, an obsessed individual with no product and no website, and delusions of grandure.
We chuckle at David's feeble minded effort to launch an attack will have the effect of a pea shooter on a elephant.
No one cares what a "washed out nobody" thinks.
However it will add to demented mental profile of David "the banner" Bynon and bring more sales to the company that still haunts him in his drunken stupors.
The joke now is They should put you on the payroll as an quasi-advertisor.
The revelation that you used the product makes everyone wonder,
WHERE DID YOU GET IT FROM IF NOBODIES BUYS IT?
Also did courosity make you try it?, It made a lot of other people try it.
SEE HOW THAT WORKS?
You jumped on the wrong side of the fence on ths one David "the banner" Bynon of Autopia Virus.org.
Boy did they use you!
David Bynon, You've just been VaporWaxed.......Again!
anybody home?
Last edited by sidwynder; Jul 1, 2012 at 09:54 AM.



