98-99 E300 Turbodiesel fuel mileage?
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Darrel if you look at the chart (which is accurate and the car does have a locking tc) you'll see it's fully locked at 3000+rpm..go out on the highway, in top gear go to 4000rpm and let off the pedal..you'll see the tach doesn't jump. It just normally partially locks and unlocks so quickly you aren't seeing it on the tach or feeling it. BTW Dural, I think some of us are going to have a little contest to come up with the best title to the cyber-myth you're apparently still living.
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Rant On!
Ah yes. 
You and your buddy Mich just have to say something, don't you?
To bad neither of you do not know from what you speak!
IF either of you want to take the trouble to look back in this column,
you WILL find that I was only agreeing with cdiKen.
4000 rpm? 115 mph! Who runs their diesel at that speed? There is no need.
Of course there will be no movement by the tachometer at that speed.
Unless a T/C is designed to be extra loose, it is, for all practicle purpoes, locked up at 4000 rpm.
Try your experiment at 2080 rpm (60 mph) and tell me what the tachometer does!
The idea with any late model car I've ever driven (I've had a few) other than the E-300 DTs
is for the engine and the wheels to be locked at any speed over 45-50 mph.
IF they aren't, you are simply wasting energy by heating transmission fluid.
This principle is based on sound physics.
To NOT have a properly locking T/C is going back more than 20 years.
Should either one of you young fellows care to take the time and trouble to test drive a 2005 or later CDI, perhaps you will may be able to see how a T/C is supposed to function. Justmaybe. . .
If you cannot or do not wish to understand this, I couldn't care less.
I no longer have my '99 W-210 diesel. The tranny went South so I let it go.
And the name is Derrel. Remember, the devil is in the details.
You and your buddy Mich just have to say something, don't you?
To bad neither of you do not know from what you speak!
IF either of you want to take the trouble to look back in this column,
you WILL find that I was only agreeing with cdiKen.
4000 rpm? 115 mph! Who runs their diesel at that speed? There is no need.
Of course there will be no movement by the tachometer at that speed.
Unless a T/C is designed to be extra loose, it is, for all practicle purpoes, locked up at 4000 rpm.
Try your experiment at 2080 rpm (60 mph) and tell me what the tachometer does!
The idea with any late model car I've ever driven (I've had a few) other than the E-300 DTs
is for the engine and the wheels to be locked at any speed over 45-50 mph.
IF they aren't, you are simply wasting energy by heating transmission fluid.
This principle is based on sound physics.
To NOT have a properly locking T/C is going back more than 20 years.
Should either one of you young fellows care to take the time and trouble to test drive a 2005 or later CDI, perhaps you will may be able to see how a T/C is supposed to function. Justmaybe. . .
If you cannot or do not wish to understand this, I couldn't care less.
I no longer have my '99 W-210 diesel. The tranny went South so I let it go.
And the name is Derrel. Remember, the devil is in the details.
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Really?
Isn't it way past your bedtime young man?
Tell me all about my outdated knowledge, please.
All here will be happy for you to show me where I'm wrong. Please, go for it.
There are several MBZ diesel owners here who know I speak the truth.
Best to stop your ranting now, for all you do is dig yourself a deeper hole!
Tell me all about my outdated knowledge, please.
All here will be happy for you to show me where I'm wrong. Please, go for it.
There are several MBZ diesel owners here who know I speak the truth.
Best to stop your ranting now, for all you do is dig yourself a deeper hole!
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Derryl, if that's not the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is. Your outdated knowledge is that you think you're going to be able to detect the state of lockup, which is variable. Someone could disassemble the transmission, hit you over the head with the lockup clutches, and you'd still tell them there was no locking tc. Oh poor Derryl
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Isn't it way past your bedtime young man?
Tell me all about my outdated knowledge, please.
All here will be happy for you to show me where I'm wrong. Please, go for it.
There are several MBZ diesel owners here who know I speak the truth.
Best to stop your ranting now, for all you do is dig yourself a deeper hole!
Tell me all about my outdated knowledge, please.
All here will be happy for you to show me where I'm wrong. Please, go for it.
There are several MBZ diesel owners here who know I speak the truth.
Best to stop your ranting now, for all you do is dig yourself a deeper hole!
You get the Dee Dee Dee award for 2006.
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Rant On . . .
Again, it's Derrel.
IF you are not smart enough to remember how to spell a name correctly
that contains only six letters, how can you be sure of anything?
Outdated you say?
I've probably forgotten more about MBZ diesels then you'll ever know,
having
owned 10 of them already begining in 1961.
How many MBZ diesels have you had?
If you are so sure that yours' (If you still have it? Do you own three diesels now?) has
a locking T/C, why don't you tear it apart or wait until your trans goes out
as mine did, and have someone cut open your T/C and show me.
Then and only then will I agree with you!
BTW, bring any vehicle to me and I will be able to detect when the T/C engages and when it disengages.
It might interest you to know that I rode with the head tech at FJMB and held their
expensive diagnostic equipment while he drove, and he said that my cars' T/C was
not locking up. Why? Because it does not have one.
They not only changed the original T/C, but also the computer
that controls everything to do with the tranny.
You know what you can do with your pity don't you?
IF you are not smart enough to remember how to spell a name correctly
that contains only six letters, how can you be sure of anything?
Outdated you say?
I've probably forgotten more about MBZ diesels then you'll ever know,
having
owned 10 of them already begining in 1961.
How many MBZ diesels have you had?
If you are so sure that yours' (If you still have it? Do you own three diesels now?) has
a locking T/C, why don't you tear it apart or wait until your trans goes out
as mine did, and have someone cut open your T/C and show me.
Then and only then will I agree with you!
BTW, bring any vehicle to me and I will be able to detect when the T/C engages and when it disengages.
It might interest you to know that I rode with the head tech at FJMB and held their
expensive diagnostic equipment while he drove, and he said that my cars' T/C was
not locking up. Why? Because it does not have one.
They not only changed the original T/C, but also the computer
that controls everything to do with the tranny.
You know what you can do with your pity don't you?
Derryl, if that's not the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is. Your outdated knowledge is that you think you're going to be able to detect the state of lockup, which is variable. Someone could disassemble the transmission, hit you over the head with the lockup clutches, and you'd still tell them there was no locking tc. Oh poor Derryl
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Such a dunce!
It's delirious.
Where did you go to school? Sounds to me like your education was sadly neglected.
"Prolly" What does that mean?
Again, it is Derrel . That's D e r r e l. Can you remember?
Tell me something smart guy. Would you speak to your father like you speak to me?
We are probably (sorry, "prolly") about the same age.
If I had a son your age and he spoke to me as you have, I'd slap him silly.
No need for that in your case, as you are for sure beyond being helped!
The trouble with you and your suck-up buddy above is that neither
of you are smart enough to know how dumb you really are!
Where did you go to school? Sounds to me like your education was sadly neglected.
"Prolly" What does that mean?
Again, it is Derrel . That's D e r r e l. Can you remember?
Tell me something smart guy. Would you speak to your father like you speak to me?
We are probably (sorry, "prolly") about the same age.
If I had a son your age and he spoke to me as you have, I'd slap him silly.
No need for that in your case, as you are for sure beyond being helped!
The trouble with you and your suck-up buddy above is that neither
of you are smart enough to know how dumb you really are!
If anyone needs sleep it's you old fart, you're gettin' delerious. You're on your 3rd or so E300 and you will prolly keep swappin' E300's like Depends, looking for that special one that "has" the locking TC. Good luck D-D-D-Derrell
You get the Dee Dee Dee award for 2006.
You get the Dee Dee Dee award for 2006.
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It's delirious.
Where did you go to school? Sounds to me like your education was sadly neglected.
"Prolly" What does that mean?
Again, it is Derrel . That's D e r r e l. Can you remember?
Tell me something smart guy. Would you speak to your father like you speak to me?
We are probably (sorry, "prolly") about the same age.
If I had a son your age and he spoke to me as you have, I'd slap him silly.
No need for that in your case, as you are for sure beyond being helped!
The trouble with you and your suck-up buddy above is that neither
of you are smart enough to know how dumb you really are!
Where did you go to school? Sounds to me like your education was sadly neglected.
"Prolly" What does that mean?
Again, it is Derrel . That's D e r r e l. Can you remember?
Tell me something smart guy. Would you speak to your father like you speak to me?
We are probably (sorry, "prolly") about the same age.
If I had a son your age and he spoke to me as you have, I'd slap him silly.
No need for that in your case, as you are for sure beyond being helped!
The trouble with you and your suck-up buddy above is that neither
of you are smart enough to know how dumb you really are!
Regardless of the knowledge you know or rather don't retain anymore, it's obvious it's still not helping you.
D-Nutzz, keep your mindless comments rolling in. They really are entertaining as it proves your ignorance knows no boundaries... And yes, my education was sadly neglected in regards to dealing with idiots like yourself. But for the record it is entertaining to rip on you D-Nutzz, just wanted to make sure you were aware.
Greetz D-Nuttz
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JJay911, there truly is no reason to bring up Durrell's embarassment. He's been proven wrong several times with diagrams provided by none other than mercedes showing how the E has a variably locking torque converter, yet the idiot still remains defiant because he thinks his modern e is the same as the ridiculously old mb's he's had, and simply can't progress with the times..It's really funny that he's so short sighted that he can't understand that a torque converter can engage smoothly enough that grandpa-durrell can't feel it. It's really humorous at this point if you've kept up. Durrell/Darryl keep yourself entertained with the 'slap us silly stuff'...it must make you feel good to fantasize about 'still having it' and slapping us 'young punks'...keep laughing all the way to medicare tho buddy. Yes we'll all be old like you some day, but for now, we could beat you silly with an arm behind our back mr depends, so stfu gramps. 
How's your stock in geritol doing?
How's your stock in geritol doing?
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Ask Derryl... Maybe he bought another one which unfortunately may not have a locking torque converter as well. Maybe you can get it cheap since you've got COLD HARD CASH?
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Truer Words Were Never Spoken
When these young idiots run there ignorant mouths, I simply consider the source.
Nothing but the truth, they think! But for them, the simple act of thinking is impossible.
I had my first MBZ diesel long before either of the dunce twins were born.
Nothing but the truth, they think! But for them, the simple act of thinking is impossible.
I had my first MBZ diesel long before either of the dunce twins were born.
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Ahh, it appears some newer forum members haven't realized what a moron Durrell is. Hey Derrell, isn't it time for another hip replacement? Perhaps you can get one with a locking torque converter for maximum leg articulation.
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What a shame . .
. . that some children do not have anything better to do then come on here and p!ss their dribble.
If these kiddies can't say anything positive or add anything of interest to this forum,
they should indeed not post at all and continue to play in their sandboxes.
We know that they are indeed babies because they cannot even
remember or learn to correctly spell a persons' first name.
D
