Another 2010 ML350 Bluetec engine seized
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2012 e350 bluetec
I'm pretty sure I saw something like that in my 2012 owners manual. Isn't it interesting that it's in the Owners Manual that nobody reads until AFTER they already purchased the car!
I'm absolutely positive no sales person, sales manager, or service manager ever told me that BEFORE I bought the car. In fact, I'm sure they never mentioned it even after I bought the car when having the car serviced under warranty. I'm sure that was just an oversight....
If in fact I would have been made aware of that fact I know I wouldn't have bought the vehicle because that perfectly describes my low miles and short driving habits.
I'm absolutely positive no sales person, sales manager, or service manager ever told me that BEFORE I bought the car. In fact, I'm sure they never mentioned it even after I bought the car when having the car serviced under warranty. I'm sure that was just an oversight....
If in fact I would have been made aware of that fact I know I wouldn't have bought the vehicle because that perfectly describes my low miles and short driving habits.
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Originally Posted by mbdiesel12
I'm pretty sure I saw something like that in my 2012 owners manual. Isn't it interesting that it's in the Owners Manual that nobody reads until AFTER they already purchased the car!
I'm absolutely positive no sales person, sales manager, or service manager ever told me that BEFORE I bought the car. In fact, I'm sure they never mentioned it even after I bought the car when having the car serviced under warranty. I'm sure that was just an oversight....
If in fact I would have been made aware of that fact I know I wouldn't have bought the vehicle because that perfectly describes my low miles and short driving habits.
I'm absolutely positive no sales person, sales manager, or service manager ever told me that BEFORE I bought the car. In fact, I'm sure they never mentioned it even after I bought the car when having the car serviced under warranty. I'm sure that was just an oversight....
If in fact I would have been made aware of that fact I know I wouldn't have bought the vehicle because that perfectly describes my low miles and short driving habits.
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84 300d 2009 e320 bluetec (retired)/, now 2012 E350 4-matic blueefficiency automatic
the newer 229.52 oils are labeled 20000 kilometer or car Mfg recommendation. That is 15000 miles. Someone is getting that OCI or the larger refiners would be out of business. Instead of miles, maybe time engine run time should be used or some thing that actually monitors the oil instead of a mileage counter. I don’t know how an oil additive can clear an dirty ERG valve.
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Gl 350 Bluetec
Bluetec Engine seizure.
The future of MB diesel is not good...
so many problems with engine oil due to EGR and changing diesel and oil recommendations. Bluetec change made engine very unreliable on top of all the dirty soot that is pumped back into engine.
another issue are new fuel diesel requirements for Ships...this is in 2 years expected to make Diesel at even higher premium to gasoline than it already is...
cost of Maintenance and Higher Diesel gallon price cancels the benefit of efficency for all 6 cylinder diesel Bluetec by MB. This is why looking for 4 cylinder and dual turbos....more things to breakdown...
If you want my recommendation. Mercedes should study Toyota Hybrid engines....A large SUV with Large Hybrid battery like example Highlander by Toyota but much larger like a GL would be a knockout by Mercedes.....
but Mercedes knows these Hybrid SUVs are 100% reliable and would put their stealership Service departments out of business. So they spend money on Ads than engineering.
last 2 MB cars i have....1 S class gasoline. 1 CDI 2008 before bluetec. Thats it....no more MB until they make Reliable cars. Hopefully Hybrids.
so many problems with engine oil due to EGR and changing diesel and oil recommendations. Bluetec change made engine very unreliable on top of all the dirty soot that is pumped back into engine.
another issue are new fuel diesel requirements for Ships...this is in 2 years expected to make Diesel at even higher premium to gasoline than it already is...
cost of Maintenance and Higher Diesel gallon price cancels the benefit of efficency for all 6 cylinder diesel Bluetec by MB. This is why looking for 4 cylinder and dual turbos....more things to breakdown...
If you want my recommendation. Mercedes should study Toyota Hybrid engines....A large SUV with Large Hybrid battery like example Highlander by Toyota but much larger like a GL would be a knockout by Mercedes.....
but Mercedes knows these Hybrid SUVs are 100% reliable and would put their stealership Service departments out of business. So they spend money on Ads than engineering.
last 2 MB cars i have....1 S class gasoline. 1 CDI 2008 before bluetec. Thats it....no more MB until they make Reliable cars. Hopefully Hybrids.
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Hybrid is probably great till you do have problems. Those fire prone battery's are something I never wish to deal with and would never park one in a garage that I care about, let alone a house garage combo.
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Gl 350 Bluetec
Bluetec Engine seizure.
To Exhaustgases
I traded a 2008 Highlander Hybrid for the 2011 GL 350 Bluetec that Seized and destroyed 19,000 dollars of my money. That 2008 Highlander Hybrid had 235,000 miles and was in Nearly Perfect mechanical condition. For last 40,000 miles only several oil changes and 24MPG average. Absloutely ZERO worries or issues with Hybrid battery system.
aftee bluetec gl 350 seized, i went last week and Got back my SANITY. I purchased a 2013 Highlander Hybrid and Will never Ever again think of Bluetec Diesel. I suffered enough!!!
I traded a 2008 Highlander Hybrid for the 2011 GL 350 Bluetec that Seized and destroyed 19,000 dollars of my money. That 2008 Highlander Hybrid had 235,000 miles and was in Nearly Perfect mechanical condition. For last 40,000 miles only several oil changes and 24MPG average. Absloutely ZERO worries or issues with Hybrid battery system.
aftee bluetec gl 350 seized, i went last week and Got back my SANITY. I purchased a 2013 Highlander Hybrid and Will never Ever again think of Bluetec Diesel. I suffered enough!!!
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2008 E320 BlueTec, 1980 300 SD
OK we get your point but repeating it over and over will not help or give more credibility.
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I think moderators have already cautioned you earlier
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95 E 300 D, 12 E 350 BT
Potential Cause of Sludge Buildup
Don't know if this has been noted here but if you drain your oil through the dipstick tube there will still be a considerable amount of old oil left in the pan. I discovered this when replacing my drain plug with a magnetic one following a dipstick tube drain. Changing oil and filter every 5 k, using Lubro Moly in the fuel at every other fill up, removing the pans under the engine for better cooling and letting it idle for a while prior to shutdown are all good ways to prevent problems with these engines. When changing oil I also add 1 1/2 bottles of Blue Devil oil stop leak to prevent the dreaded oil leak. I use Amsoil Dominator 20 / 50 competition diesel oil. So far, so good.
If you want to check for sludge in your oil pan, bend a pipe cleaner and insert it into your oil drain plug hole and swab the bottom of the pan.
I have owned multiple 116, and 126 diesels and currently have a 95 E 300 D and a 12 E 350 BT.
If you want to check for sludge in your oil pan, bend a pipe cleaner and insert it into your oil drain plug hole and swab the bottom of the pan.
I have owned multiple 116, and 126 diesels and currently have a 95 E 300 D and a 12 E 350 BT.
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Originally Posted by DIESELWEASEL
Don't know if this has been noted here but if you drain your oil through the dipstick tube there will still be a considerable amount of old oil left in the pan. I discovered this when replacing my drain plug with a magnetic one following a dipstick tube drain. Changing oil and filter every 5 k, using Lubro Moly in the fuel at every other fill up, removing the pans under the engine for better cooling and letting it idle for a while prior to shutdown are all good ways to prevent problems with these engines. When changing oil I also add 1 1/2 bottles of Blue Devil oil stop leak to prevent the dreaded oil leak. I use Amsoil Dominator 20 / 50 competition diesel oil. So far, so good.
If you want to check for sludge in your oil pan, bend a pipe cleaner and insert it into your oil drain plug hole and swab the bottom of the pan.
I have owned multiple 116, and 126 diesels and currently have a 95 E 300 D and a 12 E 350 BT.
If you want to check for sludge in your oil pan, bend a pipe cleaner and insert it into your oil drain plug hole and swab the bottom of the pan.
I have owned multiple 116, and 126 diesels and currently have a 95 E 300 D and a 12 E 350 BT.
how much oil remains if you use vacuum evacuator so I suck all possible oil through the dipstick and than opened the drain plug, amount was 100-150 ml. In OM642 we have 8L of oil so its very small amount of old oil.
And Im sure it could be smaller if I wait before I started to pump it out.
With frequent oil changes it shouldn't be a problem.
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Originally Posted by Mikemd
I have made the point that all this extra work by owners should NOT be required with a Good engine design.
but anyway Good luck to all. I have chosen the Hybrid route!
but anyway Good luck to all. I have chosen the Hybrid route!
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1997 E300D
I did test that:
how much oil remains if you use vacuum evacuator so I suck all possible oil through the dipstick and than opened the drain plug, amount was 100-150 ml. In OM642 we have 8L of oil so its very small amount of old oil.
And Im sure it could be smaller if I wait before I started to pump it out.
With frequent oil changes it shouldn't be a problem.
how much oil remains if you use vacuum evacuator so I suck all possible oil through the dipstick and than opened the drain plug, amount was 100-150 ml. In OM642 we have 8L of oil so its very small amount of old oil.
And Im sure it could be smaller if I wait before I started to pump it out.
With frequent oil changes it shouldn't be a problem.
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W211 e320 CDI
Been toying with the idea of getting myself a vacuum evacuator...would simplify at home oil changes a lot on a couple of my cars, after 10-12 hours at work most days my desire to stay late to use out back warehouse employees only shop lift is tiresome at best...guess that’s pretty lazy of me but conceptually speaking vacuum has an appeal.
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Originally Posted by Micah / AF1 Rac
Been toying with the idea of getting myself a vacuum evacuator...would simplify at home oil changes a lot on a couple of my cars, after 10-12 hours at work most days my desire to stay late to use out back warehouse employees only shop lift is tiresome at best...guess that’s pretty lazy of me but conceptually speaking vacuum has an appeal.
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Even with hand MityVac I was doing oil change in 15 minutes and it COULD be white gloves job (replacing orings is the only messy thing, but few shopping bags can keep it clean).
By the time you back the car on the lift, remove bottom panels, I am already done with extraction.
The trick is to hook up the extractor to the top of dipstick tube, where big MityVac hose fit without adapter, however required holding.
Lately I bought electric oil pump. That one has smaller hoses, so it takes longer, but then I can do other checking around in the time.
By the time you back the car on the lift, remove bottom panels, I am already done with extraction.
The trick is to hook up the extractor to the top of dipstick tube, where big MityVac hose fit without adapter, however required holding.
Lately I bought electric oil pump. That one has smaller hoses, so it takes longer, but then I can do other checking around in the time.
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I have several electric lift pumps not being used...either way I’m going to persue this route soon. I went 19k miles or close to it on last oil change and did 3 oil filters along the way. I drive a hundred miles a day so oil always gets warm enough to cook out petroleum distillates and water so it’s not insane I’m just much more comfortable with 10k mile oil changes on my OM648 and depaneling every time is lame enough I added an oil drain access door...but...
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Sorry, but I just can't. If not for a conventional drain-plug oil change, I never would have found a piece of the plastic chain tensioner in the Beemer. I always drain my oil thru a screen, checking for "surprises".
I know, I know; Get a life LOL
I know, I know; Get a life LOL
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WOW. My oil doesn't look that good 100 miles after I've changed it. One more reason for the DPF/DEF/EGR delete this fall....
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Gl 350 Bluetec
Bluetec Engine seizure.
to smiledr99s
oil looks great....but
will it set off an engine code?
will it damage engine or components in other ways?
mercedes owners again have to fix mercedes bad bluetec engineering.
thanks.
oil looks great....but
will it set off an engine code?
will it damage engine or components in other ways?
mercedes owners again have to fix mercedes bad bluetec engineering.
thanks.
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2008 gl320cdi
The tune shuts the egr off and takes care of the codes. Also with the dpf gone, which the tune allows, I can run a better protecting oil. So double win. It also turns of swirl motors preventing failure and errors. Plus other benefits.
As far as problems this might cause is unknown to me. But I would think only positive results expected
As far as problems this might cause is unknown to me. But I would think only positive results expected
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The tune shuts the egr off and takes care of the codes. Also with the dpf gone, which the tune allows, I can run a better protecting oil. So double win. It also turns of swirl motors preventing failure and errors. Plus other benefits.
As far as problems this might cause is unknown to me. But I would think only positive results expected
As far as problems this might cause is unknown to me. But I would think only positive results expected
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The tune shuts the egr off and takes care of the codes. Also with the dpf gone, which the tune allows, I can run a better protecting oil. So double win. It also turns of swirl motors preventing failure and errors. Plus other benefits.
As far as problems this might cause is unknown to me. But I would think only positive results expected
As far as problems this might cause is unknown to me. But I would think only positive results expected
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2008 gl320cdi
Nope. It just closes it so no more soot allied back into the intake
someday I plan to remove the egr and clean up the intake when I replace oil cooler and seals.
I used green diesel engineering. Only for 07 and 08 engines I think. But I think there are similar tunes by Malone and others for the later diesels.
someday I plan to remove the egr and clean up the intake when I replace oil cooler and seals.
I used green diesel engineering. Only for 07 and 08 engines I think. But I think there are similar tunes by Malone and others for the later diesels.
