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06 E320 CDI (GONE), 14 Jeep GC EcoDiesel, 01 Disco II (GONE), 09 BMW X3 3.0 Si Xdrive
Shell Rotella T6 - inexpensive alternative. Recently Chrysler approved it for JEEP GC Diesel after replacing who knows how many engines in it due to 5W-30 requirement (and it was only Mobil 1 5W-30 ESP, which I was getting from NAPA (was made in France) or Pennzoil EURO formula). And GC has same emission crap like any MB (DPF, AdBlue) and the engine is same high end diesel engine. Oil changes are every 10000 miles and I do not see any issues.
I used T6 in my older Ford truck diesel, but it is not approved for newer Fords.
Great oil for older diesels, but I think it can be bad for newer DPF..
If you really want to be Guinea Pig, there is Valvoline oil with great reviews on Fords. https://www.walmart.com/ip/Valvoline...allon/49660457
06 E320 CDI (GONE), 14 Jeep GC EcoDiesel, 01 Disco II (GONE), 09 BMW X3 3.0 Si Xdrive
Originally Posted by kajtek1
I used T6 in my older Ford truck diesel, but it is not approved for newer Fords.
Great oil for older diesels, but I think it can be bad for newer DPF..
If you really want to be Guinea Pig, there is Valvoline oil with great reviews on Fords. https://www.walmart.com/ip/Valvoline...allon/49660457
well RAM and JEEP vehicles with diesel engines have DPF alongside with all modern highway trucks. i doubt Chrysler will used it at the dealerships if they are expecting damage to the engine. and is a low-ash oil. Rotella T6
another option is Pento II High Performance 5W-40. beside, if you compare both spec sheets (229.51 and 229.52) you will find few same oils on both, which to me means that they just override each other and is another MB twist in the specs to make some extra cash selling MB oil until more oils are approved and added. or this German synthetic oil (at least is full synthetic) Ravenol RUP 5W-40, just my two cents, vs oils made in USA.
if you go to Walmart and pick Castrol 0W-40 5 quart jug (made in Belgium) and 1 quart bottle and check the label you will see that the quart jug is labeled "Not for sale outside USA" while the 5 quart jug does not carry it.
Just last week I spend $2500 on new DPF and they slam me with 2 month wait for the part to be made, so don't ask me to be Guinea pig. Records show the DPF was replaced 60k miles ago and it burned to the degree where it can't be cleaned (what would be $500 service + removal cost).
Why the costly part wears so fast? I had MAF and Ox sensor failures, but after replacing them I had the car smog and it come with 3% of allowable in NV emissions, what shows good working engine, beside that even with clog DPF I am getting better mpg than average.
Coming to labeling in USA - most of us are familiar with Smirnoff vodka? It is manufactured on the recepie of Smirnoff brothers, who used to live in city of Lwow. That city has quite "ownership" records and the bottles sold in USA 20 years ago would say
"Smirnoff brothers, Lwow, Poland" later labels would say
"Smirnoff brothers, Lwow Russia" did not buy the vodka in last years, but I guess not it says
"Smirnoff brothers, Lwow Ukraine"
Strange how big politics affect small things in our life - can't even have shoot of vodka without entering global politics.
06 E320 CDI (GONE), 14 Jeep GC EcoDiesel, 01 Disco II (GONE), 09 BMW X3 3.0 Si Xdrive
Originally Posted by kajtek1
Just last week I spend $2500 on new DPF and they slam me with 2 month wait for the part to be made, so don't ask me to be Guinea pig. Records show the DPF was replaced 60k miles ago and it burned to the degree where it can't be cleaned (what would be $500 service + removal cost).
Why the costly part wears so fast? I had MAF and Ox sensor failures, but after replacing them I had the car smog and it come with 3% of allowable in NV emissions, what shows good working engine, beside that even with clog DPF I am getting better mpg than average.
Coming to labeling in USA - most of us are familiar with Smirnoff vodka? It is manufactured on the recepie of Smirnoff brothers, who used to live in city of Lwow. That city has quite "ownership" records and the bottles sold in USA 20 years ago would say
"Smirnoff brothers, Lwow, Poland" later labels would say
"Smirnoff brothers, Lwow Russia" did not buy the vodka in last years, but I guess not it says
"Smirnoff brothers, Lwow Ukraine"
Strange how big politics affect small things in our life - can't even have shoot of vodka without entering global politics.
i guess you have to change you DPF and see if what happens when using proper oil (assuming you did not own the car when was changed - "records show"). on the other topic - labeling is not only politics, it is also regulations, and in EU they are strictly prohibiting labeling HC oil as synthetic.
E Coupe C207, ML W166, ML W164, Sprinter 1500/144, W111 SB220 Fintail(s), A5 chassis Beetle 5+5
.52 tightens the MPG stipulation and does this by controlling oxidative thickening. If this is important to you, use it. I would not bother since Pennzoil Euro L 229.51 is priced so well. I don't run my oil long enough to oxidize, but some people do.
Mechanics and shops are the worst source of lube info. Separate subject, but yeah.
@Audi Junkie Where do you get these graphs? Do you have one for MB228.51?
[Edit] Never mind, I followed the link and found that they don't list MB228.51. Poked around and found that MB228.51 is now called DTRF 15C110 and isn't considered "Passenger car" oil any longer. C'est la Vie
They don't really directly compare HD to PC oils, but once you know how recent the spec is, or it's origin, you can infer how good a spec it is.
Mostly we look at C3 oils for light duty diesels / DPF. VW 504 (507) is the top spec in the industry, it surpasses MB 229.51/2, both are C3 rated too. This graph is more VW-oriented, but yeah.
Last edited by Audi Junkie; 04-10-2024 at 12:47 AM.
My engine can use 228.51. There are CK-4 oils that also meet 228.51. The lubrizol site doesn't allow for comparing the car specs with the truck specs, so I made this spread sheet:
The red cells are worst for a given spec; green is best. Not all properties are included in both specs, hence the "-" in some cells.
I assumed that an oil meeting both CK-4 and 228.51 would score as high as the higher of the two and those numbers are shown in the right most column. LSPI Protection is not relevant for Diesel engines. In the end, the only property where the 229.5x oils may score higher than the CK-4/228.51 oils is Sludge. We don't know for sure as the truck oils are not rated for Sludge.
Based on this information, I'm thinking that the CK-4/228.51 combo oils are the best choice. I run 5,000 mile OCI, so I'm not too concerned about sludge.
TMSAISTI! YMMV, Batteries not included.
Question: is "Soot" in the auto specs the same as "Soot Thickening" in the truck specs?
E Coupe C207, ML W166, ML W164, Sprinter 1500/144, W111 SB220 Fintail(s), A5 chassis Beetle 5+5
It's a paid licenced specification, not in the target market for this product. It's like saying Rotella Synth won't work in an A3 application based on inference. Of course it will and does, but is completely devoid of A3 spec.
It's a paid licenced specification, not in the target market for this product. It's like saying Rotella Synth won't work in an A3 application based on inference. Of course it will and does, but is completely devoid of A3 spec.
Do you know the soec, and do you know if it meets it?
06-05-2018, 06:49 AM
