geosss

hey guys, so you know i was about to do the 500e engine swap but got knocked down by the price, plus the car i got for the project was in to good of a shape for being to apart. now she serves a respectable mb lover, Steve in Houston (which i'm still keepin an eye on, from time to time to see how he treats her
and because of numerous suggestions of the c36 amg swap beeing the easiest, i got my self into that now, but i found out that it is not that easy either.
talked with different shops, and all of them say the same thing, different year, different model, a total different story, everything has to be changed, engine, ecu, whire harness.

so i don't know what to think.
the car i got is a c36 amg 97, is the easy swap "just plug and play" for the 94 c36 only or it applies for all the c 36, regardless the year.
i have on it the 5 speed trans, auto, so i was thinking of that also.
so do you have any thoughts ? do you know anybody that did, it literally, i'll die to talk with somebody that did this swap.
please help me out.anything you know helps me make the decision.
here is some pics of the c36

Saijin_Naib

Its only plug & play on the w124 if you have the 94/95 w124s as they are HFM like the C36.

No engine swap for an AMG engine (except the 500e engine) is plug & play on the earlier w124s.

geosss

ok, but the c36 i have is a 97, so will that change the story? and my coupe is 93 with the m104

Shoomakan

If you have the parts car, you have the easiest job. Just remove everything from your car, and replace everything from the donor car. :P

chlippo

i am tempted by a similar project too. but my car is not an HFM so it will be a lot harder.
I might consider an M117 engine out from a 560 SEL but i didnt check what have to be changed to get that in place of my 3.4 AMG. I also not convinced to ruin a rare authentic car as mine, but it isnt fast enough for me (until now...still working on getting it 100% performing)

ShoreBenz

There is an interesting write up on this swap
in the Mercedes-Benz E-Class Owner's Bible: 1986-1995.

bsmuwk

The 93's have HFM too.

Shoomakan

Hey Chlippo, are CIS systems interchangeable? If I drop a CIS M119 in there, would I need to change my wiring harness and stuff?

Saijin_Naib

All 93s or late production? AFAIK, 93 was not the switch over to the HFM m104

ShoreBenz

I believe 1993 was the transition year to HFM on both the 2.8L & the 3.2L.
The 2.8L engine being available just one year in the U.S.

chlippo

Nop you will need pretty much everything! EZL, MAS and all the electronic stuff. I was looking in Lebanon to buy a whole mecanical/electrical front end of M119 car, but didnt find a good deal! when all the parts are there, its an easy job.

Shoomakan

Ah well. I'm currently looking for an E320 engine to drop in instead of mine. Figure I could use the extra 35 ft/lbs of torque, and finally having full EFI will be a bliss.

chlippo

for that engine too you will need all the electronics too!
but once you have all those...you can drop a 36 engine...so i dont see the point of going E320 while for a bit extra you have the 36

Shoomakan

Because I want to boost it later. The 3.6 isn't boost friendly, and is much more expensive to repair...

Brau0318

I'm new to Mercs what exactly is HFM

Saijin_Naib

I believe it stands for Hot Film Media, its just a different engine control system than the CIS-E

Shoomakan

HFM is "modern" EFI, whilst CIS is neanderthal MFI.

Still, it's better than the electronic carbs that were popular for a while. The TBI system on GM cars, for example. :P

MarioC55

so my car is a 1995 m110 Estate wagon... though how do i know if its 12v or 24v?

hmmmm...
so are you saying i'm better off boosting my estate wagon .... or doing an engine swap...??

how much if my stock engine from the e320 worth if i pull and sell??

curious...

mario

RBYCC

M110 was an old six cylinder from the 70-80's

You have a 1995 E320 which would be an M104-24V 3.2L I6...

If you don't know what kind of engine you have then you are not a candidate for boosting let alone swapping.

You have to have some basic knowledge of what you are starting with or else you will spend much time and even more money and end up with no so good results !!!!

MarioC55

when it comes to w124 i am some what a newb

Recently sepnt some years doing water cooled V-dubs... so 8v 12v 16v 24v are easy to spot under a volkswagons bonnet but a mercedes... well..

could only tell you about my old C55 engine bay :-D !!


And did i tell you about my VRT project for my Vr6?

hmmmm this guy... probably doesnt know a diverter from a blow off...

thanks for being so kind with your words... show off...

ohh and by the way your signiture looks like a fat womens rear end...

Shoomakan

He wasn't really showing off, you displayed a complete lack of information and interest in your car beyond the childish way of wanting to make it go faster.

You didn't know if it was a 12 valve or 24 valve? Without even searching google, had you just wiki'd E320 it would have told you that it was a 3.2 litre 24V engine, codenamed M104, making 220 horses and 235 ft/lbs of torque. It would have taken you 2 minutes. Not even.

More importantly, had you searched this particular forum you would have found (in my thread, no less) info that states that you can simply remove you engine, replace it with the 3.6, and just change the ECU. You're welcome.

A VR-T project is quite simpler than an E320 T project, due to the commonplace nature of it. There are a relative handful of people in the world who've successfully turbo'd their W124's, and you basically insulted one of them. Great going.

And yes, his car does look like a fat women's rear end. And it's gorgeous.

DanielSL

Shoomakan;

Kudos to you. That was a beautiful reply.

RBYCC

I guess you are correct...difficult to look at a Merc cam cover and see if it's narrow holding one cam or wide holding two...

Don't really know much about turbos either..because my twin T2's don't use a blow out or diverter just have internal wastegates..




Ooohhh you had a C55...Me just a lowly G55K and CLK63 Black Series...

As far as performance I was going much faster then you have gone long before your beginnings dribbled down your father's leg...

Being a newb doesn't mean you have to act like an **** clown...
Pay attention and you may learn something from any number of "show offs" on this and other forums

P.S.

Here is another view of the fat ladies rear....even breaking your piggy bank would not allow you to afford this replica C124WB build...

the_widebody

the know alls level of arrogance seems to be multiplying, and the pilot fish are growing in character.

for any newbies a word of warning;

wow betide anyone who commits any of the following acts;

spelling mistkes

grammatical, errors

misunderstanding

questioning the ideas of the major league

not owning enough mercs, or expensive enough mercs

any other miscreant act against the ways of the elite


as a side note, it is also a 'fact' that an individuals skill is judged by how many cheques a person can write, and who they can find to do the work for them.

Shoomakan

Fixed some of it. :P

Come on, dude. ALL, not half the info he requested is available in our very forum. And in the many forums I've been a member of, every time somebody creates a useless thread before searching the forum and/or chastising another member is treated accordingly.

While I honestly wouldn't have replied the way Ed did, I do see where he's coming from.

If I had posted what I thought is 'fact', ie not even knowing my own car's motor code and basic history, I would have not been surprised at any negative responses.

More importantly, put yourself in a situation where an up and coming person asks to make his car go faster when he obviously doesn't even know what it is, and then berates you for pointing that out.

I've said this in my earlier post, but will say it again, man.

If you've got an E320, it's a simple matter of removing your engine block and cylinder head, replacing them with the 3.6 units, and re-installing them. Then, just replace your ECU with the 3.6, or re-flash your ECU to 3.6 programming. I just wish you looked up that simple info before you started an argument.

If you're looking for even more power, here's a good thread with the inline 3.2 which you have.

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/...d.php?t=224975

That was the FIRST result in the search, by the way. :P

I'm sure if you do your research and contact Mr. Hughes, he'll also lend you a helping hand. If you have the money and time, I'd scour the interwebs until I found a Mosselman TT kit for sale and buy that. Least amount of fabrication, and you've got proven engineering and intelligence behind your setup.