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That's a shame Bob man !
225 Should be a-ok.
In the staggered fitment that's what I had against the 245/40 at back.
I've only had rub on really hard lock though with the 235's (like backing out of a driveway and swinging it hard around).
It could well be suspension issue as you suspect, but anything harder than stock is going to be a compromise with ride.
I think the general consensus would be for Bilstein/Koni with some Eibach bits in there as well.
Might do some more reading mate see what we can come up with.
225 Should be a-ok.
In the staggered fitment that's what I had against the 245/40 at back.
I've only had rub on really hard lock though with the 235's (like backing out of a driveway and swinging it hard around).
It could well be suspension issue as you suspect, but anything harder than stock is going to be a compromise with ride.
I think the general consensus would be for Bilstein/Koni with some Eibach bits in there as well.
Might do some more reading mate see what we can come up with.
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Hey Bob
I came across this article about the MB Sportline suspension package and upgrade on peachparts.
Very complete description - might be you can glean what you need from this as well.
http://www.peachparts.com/sportline_suspension.htm
I came across this article about the MB Sportline suspension package and upgrade on peachparts.
Very complete description - might be you can glean what you need from this as well.
http://www.peachparts.com/sportline_suspension.htm
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Switch the fronts to 225 now, and keep the 235s for the rear when they wear out?
Didn't read the suspension comment...
ADDED:
If budget is tight:
Bilstein comforts + Sportline sway bars.
If budget has leeway, add Sportline springs.
Very little drop there, big difference in ride, MB selected height for sport driving, this is winwinwinwinwinwinwinwinwin.
I've tried several changes, but this is what I would do if I were playing with a third Cab's suspension.
Of course, make sure everything rubber is sound and everything loose is replaced/tightened.
Didn't read the suspension comment...
ADDED:
If budget is tight:
Bilstein comforts + Sportline sway bars.
If budget has leeway, add Sportline springs.
Very little drop there, big difference in ride, MB selected height for sport driving, this is winwinwinwinwinwinwinwinwin.
I've tried several changes, but this is what I would do if I were playing with a third Cab's suspension.
Of course, make sure everything rubber is sound and everything loose is replaced/tightened.
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Definitely saving the 235s for the rear
Here is an image of the injury. As you can see it is pretty minimal and the passenger side is just a scuff of the painted surface. The drivers side reveals contact with the steel quarter panel. I plan on replacing the cladding after I figure out the fix. The red marquee shows he contact area or about 1.5"
Step one will be 225s or 215s up front. I am thinking 215s for peace of mind.
I'll start to investigate the suspension bits through Fastlane in a few. I know i have some bushings to upgrade already. Thanks RHW.
Step one will be 225s or 215s up front. I am thinking 215s for peace of mind.
I'll start to investigate the suspension bits through Fastlane in a few. I know i have some bushings to upgrade already. Thanks RHW.
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Thanks Ray.
Hey Bob
I came across this article about the MB Sportline suspension package and upgrade on peachparts.
Very complete description - might be you can glean what you need from this as well.
http://www.peachparts.com/sportline_suspension.htm
I came across this article about the MB Sportline suspension package and upgrade on peachparts.
Very complete description - might be you can glean what you need from this as well.
http://www.peachparts.com/sportline_suspension.htm
Bob
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Sounds good to me.
I just sent another note to Phil at Peach Parts to see what the price of the Sportline kit is. I inquired about it before so hopefully its still available.
215 series tires are on the way. (The kids will have a very nice pair of 235 tire swings for a while.)
I also contacted Four Seasons to see what the cost to install the kit will be. They did a great job on the top so they get the contract this time around too.
And while they are under there we will replace those flex discs as the front one was cracking. I'll start a new thread once we git this started.
Really sad that I roached out that cladding, so i am gonna try to find new ones or repair them. The good thing is the wife agrees to update the suspension after changing out the front tires, so its a good thing afterall.
Best,
Bob
215 series tires are on the way. (The kids will have a very nice pair of 235 tire swings for a while.)
I also contacted Four Seasons to see what the cost to install the kit will be. They did a great job on the top so they get the contract this time around too.
And while they are under there we will replace those flex discs as the front one was cracking. I'll start a new thread once we git this started.
Really sad that I roached out that cladding, so i am gonna try to find new ones or repair them. The good thing is the wife agrees to update the suspension after changing out the front tires, so its a good thing afterall.
Best,
Bob
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(I secretly believe she adores the Cab and first chance she gets it will become her vehicle of choice !)
Honestly though if you think about it the suspension must have got to that stage anyways. The addition of the new rims/tyres has only shown the problem to exist earlier than it might have reared it's ugly head further down the track on standard rims. So there is a positive side to all of it.
Yes mate do that cracking flex disc also. Even though the rear might look okay do it also and the center support bearing. It's not that much more for the extra parts and the area has to be "opened up so to speak" for the main one to be done so save some dollars later and do the 3 bits at the same time. It really only added a half hour to the labor charge when I did mine recently !
Gotta admit, the sneak preview photo's- she is sitting real pretty on those new rims !
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Outside pics for stormy.
Here you go. Pre-sportline setup with the 235s still on the front. I think I am going to go with 215s up front since the Sportline kit will lower the car 3/4" all the way around.
This is just moments after I had the car clay barred, waxed and buffed up in Long Grove, IL. I had them use a mild wheel cleaner and I can see they need to get a more stringent cleaning. I will do that when the car is in the air getting the suspension kit installed.
This is just moments after I had the car clay barred, waxed and buffed up in Long Grove, IL. I had them use a mild wheel cleaner and I can see they need to get a more stringent cleaning. I will do that when the car is in the air getting the suspension kit installed.
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Here you go. Pre-sportline setup with the 235s still on the front. I think I am going to go with 215s up front since the Sportline kit will lower the car 3/4" all the way around.
This is just moments after I had the car clay barred, waxed and buffed up in Long Grove, IL. I had them use a mild wheel cleaner and I can see they need to get a more stringent cleaning. I will do that when the car is in the air getting the suspension kit installed.
This is just moments after I had the car clay barred, waxed and buffed up in Long Grove, IL. I had them use a mild wheel cleaner and I can see they need to get a more stringent cleaning. I will do that when the car is in the air getting the suspension kit installed.
Hmmmmmm something missing though
Just can't quite put my finger on it
Looking Good Billy-Ray !
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Oh yes, the 320 CE trunk badge...
I am still trying to figure out how to attach it. It arrived "glued" to the cardboard so when I separated it all of the backing came off it so its just bare metal. I saw someone on Pelican ordered a new one direct from MB in April this year so maybe I will just pop for a new one and be sure it will stay on. Soon enough, Ray, soon enough.
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Sportline II CE kit ordered.
After consulting the Classic Center, Stormy, Pelican, RHW, Flooby, and any other archive I could read or rep I could talk to I decided to go with the factory order full Sportline kit from PeachParts/Fastlane. I will keep all the stock parts for provenance, and since the kit is factory its going to fit correctly and increase the value of the car today. Flattening out the handling will make it even more fun to drive on the roads we frequent and that's really what I am after anyway.
While I am at it, I am going to replace the cladding I killed, NOS of course, mount 215s on the front and store the 235s for later. Tranny flex discs and center bearing will be swapped as well. All rubber and suspension parts outside of the kit will be inspected and replaced if necessary. Alignment after all is put in place.
When all is said and done, I plan to rechristen the car with the 320 CE trunk badge (thanks to Stormy) and Sportline cladding tags that come with the kit.
I know purists will argue its "Not the way the car came from the factory", but I feel this is a nice and correct update to my 20 year old friend.
The kit arrives at my installer in 14 days so I will create a new post then and try to photo/document the install procedure as best I can.
Best,
Bob
While I am at it, I am going to replace the cladding I killed, NOS of course, mount 215s on the front and store the 235s for later. Tranny flex discs and center bearing will be swapped as well. All rubber and suspension parts outside of the kit will be inspected and replaced if necessary. Alignment after all is put in place.
When all is said and done, I plan to rechristen the car with the 320 CE trunk badge (thanks to Stormy) and Sportline cladding tags that come with the kit.
I know purists will argue its "Not the way the car came from the factory", but I feel this is a nice and correct update to my 20 year old friend.
The kit arrives at my installer in 14 days so I will create a new post then and try to photo/document the install procedure as best I can.
Best,
Bob
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Did you get a price from the Classic Center ?
They support the 124's and discount parts if you are a MBCA member..
They support the 124's and discount parts if you are a MBCA member..
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I did talk to them but they couldn't match the tech support and free delivery I got from Phil at Peach Parts. I do use the classic center for the hard to find trim and little interior bits from time to time. They are both great resources.
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Woooo Hoooo it's so nice your fixing up my cabriolet for me Bob !
Damn gotta go a long way to find a bloke so generous !!
Now keep your eyes on the watch, back and forward, back and forward.
Your getting sleepy, your eye's are getting heavy......
Damn gotta go a long way to find a bloke so generous !!
Now keep your eyes on the watch, back and forward, back and forward.
Your getting sleepy, your eye's are getting heavy......
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Today I mounted a set of summer Bridgestone tires,
on et35 17x7.5 monoblocks on my 1995 e320.
215x50 is my preference for 2 main reasons:
1: Wider tires = more road noise. 215 is wider than stock, but a bit of a compromise for the 7.5 wide wheels.
2: More rubber = slight ride improvement, and this is the most rubber that I think will fit without rubbing or rolling fenders.
225x45 is the most usual choice for those wheels, and my partner's 1992 300e runs 235x45x17 on same wheels.
on et35 17x7.5 monoblocks on my 1995 e320.
215x50 is my preference for 2 main reasons:
1: Wider tires = more road noise. 215 is wider than stock, but a bit of a compromise for the 7.5 wide wheels.
2: More rubber = slight ride improvement, and this is the most rubber that I think will fit without rubbing or rolling fenders.
225x45 is the most usual choice for those wheels, and my partner's 1992 300e runs 235x45x17 on same wheels.
Maybe I'll try 50 or 55 series. The 55 series would be the proper fitment.
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I need help: does these rims fit on a 1990 Mb 300 e: 2 18"x9" AMG rims with 255/35ZR18 Bridgestone Potenza S-03 tires (rear).
2 18"x8" AMG rims with 225/40ZR18 Bridgestone Potenza S-03 tires (front). AMG Monobloc. Please help!
2 18"x8" AMG rims with 225/40ZR18 Bridgestone Potenza S-03 tires (front). AMG Monobloc. Please help!
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Not easily, no. 18x8 ET35 running 215/40/18 tires was what I ran but then again my car was as low as a W124 can be. 9's will hit the fenders or suspension in the rear depending on offset.
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I have 8,5"x18" ET35 monoblocks upfront with 215-40/18 tires, and 9,5"x18" ET35 rear monoblocks with 225-40/18 tires. And my w124 is pretty low too. Before rolling my rear fenders there was a tiny rubbing when I drove my car loaded, but never any serious rubbing just barely noticeable.
But I think 255 wide tires on a 9" wide rim might be a problem, it all depends on your ET and tire profile actually. You'll need a ET of minimum 29 and maximum 40 to be within the "safe zone", and 225-235/40 tires to be in the safe zone I'd say. Then it would be a possible fit.
Up front you'll also be safe as long as your ET is between 29 and 40, if you go above ET 41 you'll start getting clearance issues to the front strut as the clearance with ET40 is barely above 1mm clearance between the rim inner lip and the strut, and that's tighter than recommended allready.
So in short, if your rims ET are in the 30's range, and you put 215-225/40 up front and 225-235/40 rear tires you should have no problems using these rims as far as I can see.
But I think 255 wide tires on a 9" wide rim might be a problem, it all depends on your ET and tire profile actually. You'll need a ET of minimum 29 and maximum 40 to be within the "safe zone", and 225-235/40 tires to be in the safe zone I'd say. Then it would be a possible fit.
Up front you'll also be safe as long as your ET is between 29 and 40, if you go above ET 41 you'll start getting clearance issues to the front strut as the clearance with ET40 is barely above 1mm clearance between the rim inner lip and the strut, and that's tighter than recommended allready.
So in short, if your rims ET are in the 30's range, and you put 215-225/40 up front and 225-235/40 rear tires you should have no problems using these rims as far as I can see.
