pre/post facelift problems/ an observation...
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From: COSTA MESA
99' E320 4MATIC ESTATE / 92' 190E 2.6
pre/post facelift problems/ an observation...
Not that I would know the answer but for those who do, what year are you driving?
It seems that the post facelift models(2000-20030 tend to have more strange faults than their predecessors. I rarely see the tranny/suspension/lcd cluster/cd, bluetooth, nav, iPod electronic bug/rear window regulator/etc... issues with specifically late 98 and 99 models. did MB really just fall off the quality wagon? I have probably just jinxed myself and "Bessie" but I had to throw it out there...please be gentle on me?!
It seems that the post facelift models(2000-20030 tend to have more strange faults than their predecessors. I rarely see the tranny/suspension/lcd cluster/cd, bluetooth, nav, iPod electronic bug/rear window regulator/etc... issues with specifically late 98 and 99 models. did MB really just fall off the quality wagon? I have probably just jinxed myself and "Bessie" but I had to throw it out there...please be gentle on me?!
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99' E320 4MATIC ESTATE / 92' 190E 2.6
It seems that the post facelift models (2000-2003) tend to have more strange faults than their predecessors. I rarely see the tranny/suspension/LCD cluster/CD, blue-tooth, NAV, iPod electronic bug/rear window regulator/etc... issues with specifically late 98 and 99 models. did MB really just fall off the quality wagon in 2000? I have probably just jinxed myself and "Bessie" but I had to throw it out there...please be gentle on me?!
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99' E320 4MATIC ESTATE / 92' 190E 2.6
So true! If it aint' broke...I just wonder if some of the 100+ cosmetic and electronic changes made to the facelift were too much? I mean you have a body that is released in 96' / gets a new motor in 98' / gets new electronics in 2000' and gets scrapped in 2003' ??? Not a long run for a vehicle with so many changes...Maybe the 3 year rule applied to 99'? or maybe i'm just biased. I always heard to buy a vehicle during or just after the 3rd year of production because "they" have worked out the bugs and every year after that is just fluff... Just quoting Dad.
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'99 E430, '05 ML500, '15 GLK350
Dad is always right, and it is true that MB had some quality struggles with the electronics on this car. Whether it was specifically after facelift, I don't know but I believe it was.
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99' E320 4MATIC ESTATE / 92' 190E 2.6
im considering adding an 04' w211 wagon to the stable and letting go of our trusted 190e. maybe I should wait for an 05' to show up...17800 otd from same dealer that sold me our 4matic with 80000m on 19" amg rims silver on black with all options e320. !!???????feedback???
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From: Pittsburgh,PA, Cambridge, Ontario, CN
2003 S210 3.8L Brabus wagon
Dad is truly always right and how I wish he were still here. Oh my Papa... he was so wonderful....
The W210 series tanked MB as far as quality issues were concerned. That is the time when they fell to the very bottom of JD Power and assoc list I believe in 26 place. They did scramble to fix things with something like 1800 total changes or improvement from pre and post face lift cars but it was not until the release of the 211 that they really got back into the game. However stay clear of the 04's and get the 05 or 06. The 04s had many teething challenges although not as great as the 210. On with the wagons uber allas!!!
The W210 series tanked MB as far as quality issues were concerned. That is the time when they fell to the very bottom of JD Power and assoc list I believe in 26 place. They did scramble to fix things with something like 1800 total changes or improvement from pre and post face lift cars but it was not until the release of the 211 that they really got back into the game. However stay clear of the 04's and get the 05 or 06. The 04s had many teething challenges although not as great as the 210. On with the wagons uber allas!!!
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'97 E320
In 12 years and 240k+ miles on the '97, only unscheduled repairs have been 1 transmission at 107k, 2 water pumps, 1 MAF, 2 window regulators, a taillight, a blower regulator, a brake light switch, and LOTS of bulbs. Also not one spec of rust.
2000-2004 were the biggest problem years for MB quality.
2000-2004 were the biggest problem years for MB quality.
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1997 s320, 1997 e320
In 12 years and 240k+ miles on the '97, only unscheduled repairs have been 1 transmission at 107k, 2 water pumps, 1 MAF, 2 window regulators, a taillight, a blower regulator, a brake light switch, and LOTS of bulbs. Also not one spec of rust.
2000-2004 were the biggest problem years for MB quality.
2000-2004 were the biggest problem years for MB quality.
