E320se

Is it possible to install the E55 brakes on a 2002 E320 special edition with 17" wheels riding on 235-45/17 tires? If yes, what are the MB part numbers and approximately how much? It seems to me that this may be a better deal than going off with Kleemann, Lorinser and Brembo which are extremely expensive.

Thanks.

Lucas

No, they will 110% not fit.
The offset of the rotors in the front are completely different.

tpliquid

THEY WILL 2000000000% fit properly!!!

that is u are getting E55 brakes off a W210 E55. W211 brakes wont fit

lucas: how will it not fit? w210 is w210..all parts are interchangable within W210. i fitted W210 E55 brakes on my C280 with no problems. bolts directly on to the car.
the W211 will fit, but will not work properly.

u just need 17's and they have to clear the calipars

did u kno that Clk55 E55 C43 all use the same front brakes?? look at the part # on them they all the same. all interchangable

scorchie

Just for clarification... W210 E55 brakes will easily fit W210 E320.

-s-

Hank

Cookie got owned.

scorchie

Oh yeah, the original quote about "really expensive"...

Approximate retail prices for W210 E55 brakes:

Rotors: $400 each
Calipers: $1000+ each (forgot exactly)
Pads: $200 (Porterfields... cheaper)

I think for the price you can get a nice Brembo kit.

-s-

Limited Edition 190E

I'll give someone $150 for their stock E320 Calipers if anyone upgrades.

Thanks,

Don

scorchie

Good deal. Stock E320 calipers are around $220 a pair new.

(same fitment as most CLK320, CLK430, or E430).

-s-

hubert

Ok i got calipers from 2000 S 500 the calipers go directly on the holes on my car the only problem is the S500 rotor is diffrent my original rotor hs 1" offsetr and S500 has like 3" offset meaby if i use E55 rotors the calipers will work. S500 rotors are 13" how big are E55 rotors.
Thanx
Hubert

tpliquid

S500 calipars will NOT fit E class. i grauntee u. E55 discs are 13.2

scorchie

S500 rotor is 13.6" (345mm), E55 rotor is 13.2" (335mm).

Not to mention, the S500 calipers are trailing caliper application (W210 is leading caliper application) PLUS the bores on the calipers are sequentially sized, meaning your wheels will be spinning the wrong way in the caliper.

-s-

hubert

Ok Thanx so i got to sell those calipers and rotors. How about C32 calipers and rotors will they fit my E430.

scorchie

Wow, just READ or SEARCH before you ask questions!

From a thread not more than a few clicks away...

https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...threadid=34635

-s-

fatchance

Has anybody installed the stoptech brake system?

They do have an application for the W210 chassis.

A bit less than Brembo and AMG. I know a few folks who have it on their Audis...(a big thing on the audiworld.com site)

www.stoptech.com

I have no affiliation with this company, just passing info on...

-travis
'98 E430

Lucas

I assumed it was W 211 E 55 brakes he was after, the W 210 E 55 will fit but are not worth the money.

If I recall right, the S 500 have 330 mm x 32 rotors.

scorchie

I submit that the W210 E55 brakes are superior to the W211 E55 brakes, so the "worth" is subjective.

Since the ML430 and the S500 use the same brake pads, different size rotors are unlikely. The rotors for the ML430 are 345mm (13.58"). I have seen published specifications of the W220 brake rotors as being 330mm, but I after physically examining W220 brakes myself and checking part numbers for the rotors and pads, I believe those statements to be incorrect.

-s-

Lucas

I will suggest you take a look at a E 55 W 211 before you say the E 55 W 210 brakes are superior.

One significiant difference, the 210 have one piston caliper, the 211 have 8 piston.
Even the standard brakes from 211 E 500 are much better than 210 E 55, the E 500 211 have a 4 piston similar to the S 500 in design.

michakaveli

What you guys think about the ATE rotors and Mintex pads? Just gettin' ideas for when I need to do brakes.... Anyone know the purpose of the elliptical slots? Look really nice though. I assuming it might be more effective at keeping a fresh pad surface.

scorchie

I suggest you take a look at the WHOLE BRAKING SYSTEM. I've examined brakes on all these cars IN DEPTH and feel I can comment on them accurately (I have two cars with AMG E50 brakes.. the CLK55 and the C43, and two cars with the newer AMG Brembo design, and an SL55 coming, but I've purchased SL55 braking components).

First of all, the W210 E55 brakes are DUAL PISTON FLOATING CALIPER. This is equivalent to a four piston fixed caliper design, with the added bonus that the caliper/rotor alignment need not be exact. A floating caliper or rotor is often used in the racing world. Oftentimes when a fixed caliper/rotor system has a rotor replaced, the hub USUALLY is not refinished (read all the "DIY" guides on the net on how to change your brake rotors on a Mercedes... no one EVER says to clean off the hub). When the rotor is replaced and a little tiny speck of anything is between the rotor and hub, it can lead to squeaking brakes (and worse performance) due to misalignment of the caliper and rotor.

Secondly, the rotors on the W210 E55 are MULTIPIECE. That means the rotor and hat are separate pieces. They are connected by stainless steel pins. This reduces heat transfer and aids in cooling.

Also, the rotors on the W210 E55 have DIRECTIONAL VANES so that the spinning rotor aids in air movement through the ventilated portion of the disc. This helps cool the brakes at speed.

Oh, yeah, the W211 E55 brakes also have directional vanes... but the problem is, there is only a LEFT APPLICATION (so the rotor on the right of the car is NOT EFFECTIVELY COOLING).

This is true of ALL THE NEW AMG cars (W215, W220, W209, W203, W211, R230). That's because they all use rotors that were pulled from other applications and drilled to make them "performance", but only one rotor is drilled.

I suggest you do a little more research on brakes and their features, and examine what is actually on these cars, before making comments on the superiority of each.

The new AMG brakes are certainly superior in the cosmetics department, which is what they were designed to excel at (great looks at cheaper cost). Why do you think the whole front braking system of the new AMG cars can be purchased for under US $1000 (even the 8-piston version) where the old AMG systems were around US $3000? AMG wants to give you the "look of performance" without the performance or its associated cost.

If you still believe W211 brakes are superior, I humbly bow to your opinion.

-s-

Lucas

Your US AMG cars must be different from the Euro models.

All the cars I have changed brake systems on ( and thats more than 200 cars the last 12 month ) do not have multi pcs. rotors, I haven't seen that on any AMG or MB car ever.
All EURO models do only have 1 sparepart number for left and right ventilated rotor, which means as you wrote, 1 is turning the wrong way.
CLK 208 and E 210 55, comes in Europe with hopeless 1 piston calipers, cast iron 1 pcs. rotors and rubber brakelines.

Who cares I throw them out brand new any way, some body interested in purchasing between 1 and 2 ton off mixed MB / AMG
brand new front and rear calipers and rotors from late models ?????

Where where you a week ago where " RONALD" praised the new AMG brakes as the best since sliced bread in another thread ???

scorchie

I don't believe the EURO cars have different brakes. The E50 (not available in the USA) was the source of the brakes used for the following W202, W208, and W210 AMG models.

I will be in The Netherlands and Germany next week, I will check on the cars there. Hopefully I will have a trip to Brehmen and Stuttgart for parts, and will check while there.

Actually, I just checked. According to EPC Compact for W210, the rotor part number for W210 E55 is the same as the one we use here... maybe you could double check?

I would be very interested in purchasing your brake parts. Steve (MBenzNL) sends crates out so we could pack up your parts and send them to the US. This could be beneficial to both of us. Please PM me or mail me at scorchie@purrbox.com and we can discuss!

-s-

p.s. I know about Ronald (if it's the same one we're thinking about) and definitely do not agree with many of his opinions. The C32 brakes are a definite upgrade for many vehicles, but not those that come with the other AMG brakes.

p.p.s.: OK, it's not the same Ronald that I was thinking about... so I think his opinions are pretty good, USUALLY. But I read the thread, and he was dead wrong about the rotor being mounted incorrectly. As a matter of fact, you were arguing the point that the brakes are NOT THAT GOOD. So why are you arguing now that they are a good design?

Lucas

I am not arguing anything, I trash all OE brakes any way, but for the hell of it the W 210 E 55 have ****ty brakes compared to the SL 55 R 230, just my 2 cents.

I will e-mail you.

tpliquid

lucas...were NOT talking abuot SL55 BRAKES. thank u very much..

Hank

clownin' on cookie again? :p

Lucas

The 03 E and SL 55 have the same caliper and disc dimensions, so comparing a SL 55 with other models isn't that much off, only the SL is a little heavier, but we can continue to flie *******g, thanks.