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Mid Muffler Removed!
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Mid Muffler Removed!
Just want to share with the revheads around here that removing the mid-muffler really does improve acoustics and responsiveness.
A criticism of the W210 aftermarket sports exhausts that I have very often read is that they still sound very mellow. Apparently AMG exhausts sound quieter than the stock muffler (owners can confirm)! After removing my midmuffler, my baby V6 now sounds like its turobcharged and has more grunt - both in sound and actual power. Gear shifts are also more responsive. I believe it was US$100 well spent.
A criticism of the W210 aftermarket sports exhausts that I have very often read is that they still sound very mellow. Apparently AMG exhausts sound quieter than the stock muffler (owners can confirm)! After removing my midmuffler, my baby V6 now sounds like its turobcharged and has more grunt - both in sound and actual power. Gear shifts are also more responsive. I believe it was US$100 well spent.
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What if I remove the cat on my diesel? You can't hear any exhaust now as is.... I wonder how it woul daffect hp and torque curves with the reduced amount of backpressure. I know turbo diesels usually benefit from a really low exhaust back-pressure, but don't know if NA diesels would as well.
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Try it, try it! If you don't wish to butcher and do permanent damage to the middle of your exhaust, do what Benz did - take it all off! It really does feel so much more powerful
BTW, I forgot to mention (but of course, it would have been obvious) that they needed to custom make a pipe that joins up where the muffler was but takes just a simple saw and weld job - all done in less than 1 hr - but this IS HK.
And BTW, why is it referred to as a "cat"? Is that the same as a catalytic covertor?
BTW, I forgot to mention (but of course, it would have been obvious) that they needed to custom make a pipe that joins up where the muffler was but takes just a simple saw and weld job - all done in less than 1 hr - but this IS HK.
And BTW, why is it referred to as a "cat"? Is that the same as a catalytic covertor?
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Originally posted by michakaveli
What if I remove the cat on my diesel? You can't hear any exhaust now as is.... I wonder how it woul daffect hp and torque curves with the reduced amount of backpressure. I know turbo diesels usually benefit from a really low exhaust back-pressure, but don't know if NA diesels would as well.
What if I remove the cat on my diesel? You can't hear any exhaust now as is.... I wonder how it woul daffect hp and torque curves with the reduced amount of backpressure. I know turbo diesels usually benefit from a really low exhaust back-pressure, but don't know if NA diesels would as well.
... I do know if you remove your resenator and muffle your car will be much louder and perform better.Incase you never heard my videos on my car click the links below:
These 2 are with the CATS but without the muffler and resenator.
http://www.carextreme.com/us/Dzl8223.mpg
http://www.carextreme.com/us/DzlD0D0.mpg
These 2 are without the CATS, muffler and resenator.
http://www.carextreme.com/us/DzlE2F6.mpg
http://www.carextreme.com/us/DzlE044.mpg
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Originally posted by Whitey
Try it, try it! If you don't wish to butcher and do permanent damage to the middle of your exhaust, do what Benz did - take it all off! It really does feel so much more powerful
BTW, I forgot to mention (but of course, it would have been obvious) that they needed to custom make a pipe that joins up where the muffler was but takes just a simple saw and weld job - all done in less than 1 hr - but this IS HK.
And BTW, why is it referred to as a "cat"? Is that the same as a catalytic covertor?
Try it, try it! If you don't wish to butcher and do permanent damage to the middle of your exhaust, do what Benz did - take it all off! It really does feel so much more powerful
BTW, I forgot to mention (but of course, it would have been obvious) that they needed to custom make a pipe that joins up where the muffler was but takes just a simple saw and weld job - all done in less than 1 hr - but this IS HK.
And BTW, why is it referred to as a "cat"? Is that the same as a catalytic covertor?
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I had a "pillow looking thing" removed, so was that the cat or a muffler? IF it was the cat, does that mean I can use leaded gas now (if I can get it)?
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Originally posted by Whitey
I had a "pillow looking thing" removed, so was that the cat or a muffler? IF it was the cat, does that mean I can use leaded gas now (if I can get it)?
I had a "pillow looking thing" removed, so was that the cat or a muffler? IF it was the cat, does that mean I can use leaded gas now (if I can get it)?
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Hey! no more Benz and now more links! Keep the link at least man - I never got a chance to take a good look
BTW, I thought you said you had big dorgs? He/she don't look real big to me....
BTW, I thought you said you had big dorgs? He/she don't look real big to me....
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Originally posted by Whitey
Hey! no more Benz and now more links! Keep the link at least man - I never got a chance to take a good look
BTW, I thought you said you had big dorgs? He/she don't look real big to me....
Hey! no more Benz and now more links! Keep the link at least man - I never got a chance to take a good look
BTW, I thought you said you had big dorgs? He/she don't look real big to me....
That pic of her was when she was a puppy about 4 months old. I just love that pic...She is standing in attention position hehe.
I'll keep my links
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Originally posted by Benz
I'm not sure about diesels ... I do know if you remove your resenator and muffle your car will be much louder and perform better.
Incase you never heard my videos on my car click the links below:
These 2 are with the CATS but without the muffler and resenator.
http://www.carextreme.com/us/Dzl8223.mpg
http://www.carextreme.com/us/DzlD0D0.mpg
These 2 are without the CATS, muffler and resenator.
http://www.carextreme.com/us/DzlE2F6.mpg
http://www.carextreme.com/us/DzlE044.mpg
I'm not sure about diesels
... I do know if you remove your resenator and muffle your car will be much louder and perform better.Incase you never heard my videos on my car click the links below:
These 2 are with the CATS but without the muffler and resenator.
http://www.carextreme.com/us/Dzl8223.mpg
http://www.carextreme.com/us/DzlD0D0.mpg
These 2 are without the CATS, muffler and resenator.
http://www.carextreme.com/us/DzlE2F6.mpg
http://www.carextreme.com/us/DzlE044.mpg
I feel your pain. BTW, did you actually manage to part with her and get the dough as you said you would?
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Unfortunately the car was back on all 4's when I arrived, besides I didn't have a camera. But I'll sure I take a pic when I get my shocks done
Last edited by Whitey; Dec 7, 2003 at 12:57 AM.
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If someone has a pic of the bottom of an E I can point it out but according to Benz (and my mechanic) its the muffler which was castrated and the pipes rejoined.
Oooops were you talking to Benz BTW????? If you meant Benz, all had left were two pipes coming out of the bottom of the engine block (I'm sure I'd seen pics somewhere).
Had another drive today - boy does it sound so much better. Now its closer (but not as ricey) to my E36 with DTM exhausts -which I miss. Sounds very mellow on idle and only sounds mean when I rev it hard.....so the limo touch was not completely lost
Oooops were you talking to Benz BTW????? If you meant Benz, all had left were two pipes coming out of the bottom of the engine block (I'm sure I'd seen pics somewhere).
Had another drive today - boy does it sound so much better. Now its closer (but not as ricey) to my E36 with DTM exhausts -which I miss. Sounds very mellow on idle and only sounds mean when I rev it hard.....so the limo touch was not completely lost
Last edited by Whitey; Dec 7, 2003 at 04:02 AM.
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Originally posted by Whitey
Who's Jake????? Constable Ron???? I seem to remember his pic had no pipes at all!!! LOL!!
Who's Jake????? Constable Ron???? I seem to remember his pic had no pipes at all!!! LOL!!
I thought he had before and after pics, now I can't remember...:p
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Originally posted by jimmydagreek
Yeah, Ron's nickname is Jake, don't you remember? He goes by both I guess...
I thought he had before and after pics, now I can't remember...:p
Yeah, Ron's nickname is Jake, don't you remember? He goes by both I guess...
I thought he had before and after pics, now I can't remember...:p
Ron is my 'real' name but I go by Jake. I do have before and after pictures of my exhaust...Let me find them and ill post them.
