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Ok,
I know you all have mentioned this before, but now that I've had my new E-500 for a few days, I cannot rant and rave enough about how incredibly *****ty the cup holders are!!! OMG!! Unless it's as thin as those teeny freebie water bottles, your coffee mug WILL NOT fit into the lower holder or the upper holder!
And that upper holder! It's so damned high that if I hit a bump and spill some coffee, I initially think some roof-mounted fire sprinkler went off! And a medium sized (grande) Starbucks or wherever fits, but not the sleeve used to keep from burning your hands. You have take special concern to make sure the sleeve doesn't prevent the cup from sitting properly in the weak-a$$ holder.
And that stupid little flange in the upper cup holder! WTF is that? I know, it's supposed to keep your cup secure, but you either have to use two hands to put your cup in the $%@ thing, or you have to angle the cup into it and push open the flange chingas and then angle the cup back straight up and down. And when you do that, surprise, you pour some of your drink out on the nice black bird's eye wood and the leather (-ette?) top of the center compartments.
With Germany's beer quaffing reputation, I hesitate to ask this, but do they not drink in Europe? Hello?
I almost would rather have my pick up truck back with it's two super generous sized cup holder wells with slip in adapters (just right for soda cans and 7-11 sized coffee mugs!
Jeeeezuz!
What they shoulda done, instead of trying to over-engineer the issue, is get rid of that folding Karate Kid crane move upper cup holder, and just make that whole lower area a nice 3 inch wide, 4 inch deep cup holder. Let there be a little plastic adapter approximately 2 inches high with an outer diameter of 3 inches (to fit in the cup holder) and an inner diameter of 2inches (or whatever snugly holds a standard soda-pop can). Perfect, simpler, cheaper, more reliable, more useful, less engineered, fewer parts, same space allocation.
EDJ
<still fuming, and ranting and raving! Expecting those guys in white jackets anytime now...>
I know you all have mentioned this before, but now that I've had my new E-500 for a few days, I cannot rant and rave enough about how incredibly *****ty the cup holders are!!! OMG!! Unless it's as thin as those teeny freebie water bottles, your coffee mug WILL NOT fit into the lower holder or the upper holder!
And that upper holder! It's so damned high that if I hit a bump and spill some coffee, I initially think some roof-mounted fire sprinkler went off! And a medium sized (grande) Starbucks or wherever fits, but not the sleeve used to keep from burning your hands. You have take special concern to make sure the sleeve doesn't prevent the cup from sitting properly in the weak-a$$ holder.
And that stupid little flange in the upper cup holder! WTF is that? I know, it's supposed to keep your cup secure, but you either have to use two hands to put your cup in the $%@ thing, or you have to angle the cup into it and push open the flange chingas and then angle the cup back straight up and down. And when you do that, surprise, you pour some of your drink out on the nice black bird's eye wood and the leather (-ette?) top of the center compartments.
With Germany's beer quaffing reputation, I hesitate to ask this, but do they not drink in Europe? Hello?
I almost would rather have my pick up truck back with it's two super generous sized cup holder wells with slip in adapters (just right for soda cans and 7-11 sized coffee mugs!
Jeeeezuz!
What they shoulda done, instead of trying to over-engineer the issue, is get rid of that folding Karate Kid crane move upper cup holder, and just make that whole lower area a nice 3 inch wide, 4 inch deep cup holder. Let there be a little plastic adapter approximately 2 inches high with an outer diameter of 3 inches (to fit in the cup holder) and an inner diameter of 2inches (or whatever snugly holds a standard soda-pop can). Perfect, simpler, cheaper, more reliable, more useful, less engineered, fewer parts, same space allocation.
EDJ
<still fuming, and ranting and raving! Expecting those guys in white jackets anytime now...>
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Well put ElDiabloJoe. I couldn't agree more. The cup holders are terrible. As i said in a previous post, Europeans just don't seem to get the cup holder thing. Too bad for us! My Jeep had two holes for cup holders as you describe in your post. They worked very weel and could hold any size cup. Very simple design, one that was probably much cheaper than MB's and it worked. MB could just design a sliding cover to hide the holes too.
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Cultural thing.
Originally posted by rayscar
Well put ElDiabloJoe. I couldn't agree more. The cup holders are terrible. As i said in a previous post, Europeans just don't seem to get the cup holder thing. Too bad for us! My Jeep had two holes for cup holders as you describe in your post. They worked very weel and could hold any size cup. Very simple design, one that was probably much cheaper than MB's and it worked. MB could just design a sliding cover to hide the holes too.
Well put ElDiabloJoe. I couldn't agree more. The cup holders are terrible. As i said in a previous post, Europeans just don't seem to get the cup holder thing. Too bad for us! My Jeep had two holes for cup holders as you describe in your post. They worked very weel and could hold any size cup. Very simple design, one that was probably much cheaper than MB's and it worked. MB could just design a sliding cover to hide the holes too.
So no wonder it does not get the attention GM gives it.
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I disagree that "drinking in cars is frowned on in Europe"
We just returned from six months of driving around Europe. We leased a peugeot 406 and were in and out of about 15 countries.
You see people with soda, coffee and water bottles all over Europe. The cup holders all seem to be inadequate but the people seem to have a need for them.
I am disappointed to hear this from everyone. I don't even have my car yet and I am unhappy as EDJ
Does MB have a site for owners to make suggestions? Maybe MBUSA should take a more active interest in this forum.
We just returned from six months of driving around Europe. We leased a peugeot 406 and were in and out of about 15 countries.
You see people with soda, coffee and water bottles all over Europe. The cup holders all seem to be inadequate but the people seem to have a need for them.
I am disappointed to hear this from everyone. I don't even have my car yet and I am unhappy as EDJ
Does MB have a site for owners to make suggestions? Maybe MBUSA should take a more active interest in this forum.
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Has anyone tried to figure out if you can simply remove the mechanism below the pop up door and use the space as a large cupholder? Also, I think MB makes insulated cups/mugs with small diameter bottoms to fit the holders. I think we may have gotten them with our '03 SL.
Here is a link to one on the MB accessories page that indicates that it fits in all MB cupholders:
http://www.thecollection.mbusa.com/A...Attribute=true
You can see that it is smaller at the bottom. Here is another that is indicated to be for the M class but that it fits all others:
http://www.thecollection.mbusa.com/A...Attribute=true
If these suggestions do not work, I will gladly accept all donations of new E320s and E500s that anyone doesn't want anymore (for free, of course!!)
Hope this helps.
Jeff
Here is a link to one on the MB accessories page that indicates that it fits in all MB cupholders:
http://www.thecollection.mbusa.com/A...Attribute=true
You can see that it is smaller at the bottom. Here is another that is indicated to be for the M class but that it fits all others:
http://www.thecollection.mbusa.com/A...Attribute=true
If these suggestions do not work, I will gladly accept all donations of new E320s and E500s that anyone doesn't want anymore (for free, of course!!)
Hope this helps.
Jeff
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Jeff I remember reading in the manual that the front cup holders can be removed. It tells you how but I can't remember without reading it again. I don't know what the space underneath looks like though.
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The cup holder design has persisted virtually unchanged since I had my '98 E (probably goes back to the '96 start of the W210), then my '01 C, and now my '03 E. They all are "critically acclaimed". Very critically. I have a hunch the powers that be like them just fine, our comments notwithstanding. The small spring-loaded arm on the new car actually requires a little more "tilt" of the cup to slide the arm out of the way. Hard to understand the thinking, but I believe there were no cupholders at all until the W210. We should be thankful for small favors. At least there's enough headroom for one of those hats with the straw and soda can!
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Niiiiice
Sayyyy, that's a niiiiice photo. Izzat yer seester? Can I meet her? Boy, she shore do got a purty mouf.
J/K, I know it's that model. Just wanted to fire back at ya for belittling my pet peeve.
EDJ
J/K, I know it's that model. Just wanted to fire back at ya for belittling my pet peeve.
EDJ
Originally posted by pocholin
I knew the E500 had to have a defect, sorry it is the cup holder, it could've been the radio, the seats or something less important, right?
I knew the E500 had to have a defect, sorry it is the cup holder, it could've been the radio, the seats or something less important, right?
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Originally posted by etenn
I disagree that "drinking in cars is frowned on in Europe". We just returned from six months of driving around Europe. We leased a peugeot 406 and were in and out of about 15 countries.
You see people with soda, coffee and water bottles all over Europe. The cup holders all seem to be inadequate but the people seem to have a need for them.
I disagree that "drinking in cars is frowned on in Europe". We just returned from six months of driving around Europe. We leased a peugeot 406 and were in and out of about 15 countries.
You see people with soda, coffee and water bottles all over Europe. The cup holders all seem to be inadequate but the people seem to have a need for them.
Havinf said all that, I like the holder. It holds my Tim Hortons coffee very well. (that's Canada).
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Re: Niiiiice
Originally posted by ElDiabloJoe
Sayyyy, that's a niiiiice photo. Izzat yer seester? Can I meet her? Boy, she shore do got a purty mouf.
J/K, I know it's that model. Just wanted to fire back at ya for belittling my pet peeve.
EDJ
Sayyyy, that's a niiiiice photo. Izzat yer seester? Can I meet her? Boy, she shore do got a purty mouf.
J/K, I know it's that model. Just wanted to fire back at ya for belittling my pet peeve.
EDJ
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Re: Cultural thing.
Originally posted by mwillems
As I have mentioned before, this is a cultural thing. Drinking in cars is frowned upon in Europe and elsewhere - it's a typical American/Canadian thing. In Australia, drinking in the car is illegal, as is phoning on your cellphone. In some European countries it'll be the same I am sure.
So no wonder it does not get the attention GM gives it.
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As I have mentioned before, this is a cultural thing. Drinking in cars is frowned upon in Europe and elsewhere - it's a typical American/Canadian thing. In Australia, drinking in the car is illegal, as is phoning on your cellphone. In some European countries it'll be the same I am sure.
So no wonder it does not get the attention GM gives it.
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Check out the cupholder in the latest generation Corvettes: Adequate for a Cuban coffee = 8 cc of concentrate in a thimble!!
A feeble attempt to incorporate a cup-holder - for the FIRST time resulted in a chinzy pop-out ring from the dash for holding a cup - very poorly: The 2002 911 Porsche!
It's time to stop guzzling and learn to sip beverages from a thimble and behave very civilized.
An option for incurable guzzlers:
Go to AUTOZONE and buy a 75 cent plastic cup holder device, it looks like a muzzle and attaches to the the door/window recess crevice.
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Well, my wife's vette had a cup holder that was OK, but my 96 Impala SS which was huge only had a whimpy little cup holder that if used it would cover half of the radio, worst of all it would only accept a soda can, nothing wider not even at the top because then it would hit the radio and tilt! So GMs are not exclusive of ****ty cup holders.
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Originally posted by Super Em
If E Class customers are only complaining about the cup holders, then I would say that MB engineers did a good job building this car.
If E Class customers are only complaining about the cup holders, then I would say that MB engineers did a good job building this car.
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Out of interest, MB have added a Bottle Holder option to the 2003 SL's. Atttached to the left of the passenger seat and can hold bottles of up to 1.5 litres, with a diameter of 95mm.
In response to demand, apparently.....
In response to demand, apparently.....
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Originally posted by Mustard
Out of interest, MB have added a Bottle Holder option to the 2003 SL's. Atttached to the left of the passenger seat and can hold bottles of up to 1.5 litres, with a diameter of 95mm.
In response to demand, apparently.....
Out of interest, MB have added a Bottle Holder option to the 2003 SL's. Atttached to the left of the passenger seat and can hold bottles of up to 1.5 litres, with a diameter of 95mm.
In response to demand, apparently.....
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Originally posted by Super Em
If E Class customers are only complaining about the cup holders, then I would say that MB engineers did a good job building this car.
If E Class customers are only complaining about the cup holders, then I would say that MB engineers did a good job building this car.
Let's say you're a HUGE sports fan. Spend all weekend watching em on you're big screen, flat-panel, super plasma HDTV screen with umpteen speaker surround sound and TiVo. Your wife is a sports widow .
But you just bought this new, really nice, really costly house. Wayy out in the gorgeous mountains of Colorado/Idaho/Montana/somewhere remote but beautiful. 6 bedrooms, 6 bathrooms, 4000 sq feet on multiple acres with an 6 car garage.
After you're moved in you realize, by some weird quirk of fate, it wasn't pre-wired for cable and due to your remote location, you can't get satellite services where your new estate is located.
No complaints about the new McMansion, but the minor thing, wellllll, for you, it's a quality of experience issue.
See what I mean?
EDJ
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Re: Re: Niiiiice
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LOL not my sis, but I can hook you up!
LOL not my sis, but I can hook you up!
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Originally posted by rayscar
You've changed the picture. Is this the same woman? No problem with those cup holders.
You've changed the picture. Is this the same woman? No problem with those cup holders.
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Re: Re: Re: Niiiiice
Originally posted by rayscar
You've changed the picture. Is this the same woman? No problem with those cup holders.
You've changed the picture. Is this the same woman? No problem with those cup holders.
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Re: I like em too
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Actually, I like them too!
Actually, I like them too!