PIC REQUEST: w211's slammed or lowered :)
12-21-2012, 09:30 AM
#202
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well it's not stock height, since the coilovers were lower than my stock suspension right out of the box. but i'm going to try and go 2" lower in the back and 1" lower in the front next thursday/friday. 
send me more full pics of your 211 holmes. none of these 1/4 panel shots and ****!
send me more full pics of your 211 holmes. none of these 1/4 panel shots and ****!
I will lol I'm in California for the week when I get back I'm sending it to the painter and then i'll do a real shoot with it
12-22-2012, 12:32 AM
#203
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What do you think of lowering more in the front than in the back? I think the raked look would be awesome, need to consider this before I install my lowering links.
12-26-2012, 12:24 PM
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2009 W211 E350 AMG Sport PKG
01-02-2013, 07:51 PM
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Looks really nice! Super low, 20s fit the W211 perfectly.
My only criticism is the tire stretch, it's hard to judge by the pictures but it looks really stretched - not only does it look ricer (in my opinion) it's dangerous, bad for your wheels, bad for your suspension. The sidewall is there to support the tire and protect the wheel/car from road forces and bumps, not to stretch at a 45 degree angle. It isn't a "look" unless you want the messed up wheels and ricer "look." Wide tires look cool especially on a staggered performance car, wheel stretch just looks ridiculous.
My only criticism is the tire stretch, it's hard to judge by the pictures but it looks really stretched - not only does it look ricer (in my opinion) it's dangerous, bad for your wheels, bad for your suspension. The sidewall is there to support the tire and protect the wheel/car from road forces and bumps, not to stretch at a 45 degree angle. It isn't a "look" unless you want the messed up wheels and ricer "look." Wide tires look cool especially on a staggered performance car, wheel stretch just looks ridiculous.
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01-02-2013, 08:27 PM
#210
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he wouldn't be able to be where he is without stretched tires.. i wouldn't call stretched tires "ricer" stretched tires are for aggressive fitments
looks great imo, did you end up getting those arms or is it still just running all natural camber?
looks great imo, did you end up getting those arms or is it still just running all natural camber?
01-02-2013, 10:52 PM
#211
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I understand he needs them to be able to slam it that low but it's unsafe and horrible for the wheels and ultimately suspension. However, overall his car looks amazing so I'm not criticizing his work just saying that stretch is a bad idea.
01-02-2013, 11:40 PM
#212
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How is bad for the suspension or the wheels?
Lowering a car or driving fast isn't safe either, people are just more familiar with those aspects of modding... Been driving on stretched tires for a long time now and I'm still here
Lowering a car or driving fast isn't safe either, people are just more familiar with those aspects of modding... Been driving on stretched tires for a long time now and I'm still here
01-03-2013, 10:26 PM
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That's the problem with stretched tires, most tire makers don't warrant that practice and you're speed rating will be several steps lower than what it would be if the tire was PROPERLY installed. Not to mention if you are ever in an accident your insurance company will be very unhappy as you, the insured, "did not take the proper steps to maintain your vehicle in a roadworthy state." Unless it is a show car it's a bad idea... here's one argument on it:
"Unfortunately, it is often possible to fit a narrow tire onto a wheel that is too wide for a proper fit by forcing the sidewalls to spread wider than they are designed for. It's pretty easy to recognize this problem, as it leaves the tire sidewalls leaning at a diagonal to the tread instead of vertical. This is extremely bad. Tire sidewalls are supposed to be vertical, since they're what's holding the tire tread stable against the car's weight and protecting the wheel against impacts.
Even more unfortunately many people, in my experience mainly tuners and teenagers, have come to see this useless and dangerous condition as being an acceptable “look”, as if having tires that look “stretched” somehow cancels out the physical idiocy of having tires with sidewalls at a 45-degree angle to the wheel ... Any responsible tire installer will have a book that lists the approved tire sizes for a certain rim width. Any responsible tire installer will refuse to mount tires that are too narrow for the wheels. The key word there is 'responsible.'"
Now I know a lot of people do this and I know I seem like an uptight idiot for pointing it out - you do what you want with your car - I just think it's incredibly dumb and potentially dangerous. It might work for you I'm not to judge.
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01-04-2013, 02:14 AM
#217
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Long term wear on the suspension is what I am talking about mostly because you don't have the sidewall there to do it's job and absorb all of the road forces. However it is can be a dangerous practice you just don't know, driving a car fast in the right conditions is not necessarily unsafe if everything in the surrounding environment is in order and the car is operating within its mechanical limits. Lowering a car is the same thing, if you perform an alignment and make sure the suspension is solid it won't really force the car to work outside of it's design limits as all you are doing is lowering the center of gravity and making it more aerodynamic/responsive in some cases - now if you were to heat your conventional springs or something like that or cut your springs then you're asking for problems.
That's the problem with stretched tires, most tire makers don't warrant that practice and you're speed rating will be several steps lower than what it would be if the tire was PROPERLY installed. Not to mention if you are ever in an accident your insurance company will be very unhappy as you, the insured, "did not take the proper steps to maintain your vehicle in a roadworthy state." Unless it is a show car it's a bad idea... here's one argument on it:
"Unfortunately, it is often possible to fit a narrow tire onto a wheel that is too wide for a proper fit by forcing the sidewalls to spread wider than they are designed for. It's pretty easy to recognize this problem, as it leaves the tire sidewalls leaning at a diagonal to the tread instead of vertical. This is extremely bad. Tire sidewalls are supposed to be vertical, since they're what's holding the tire tread stable against the car's weight and protecting the wheel against impacts.
Even more unfortunately many people, in my experience mainly tuners and teenagers, have come to see this useless and dangerous condition as being an acceptable “look”, as if having tires that look “stretched” somehow cancels out the physical idiocy of having tires with sidewalls at a 45-degree angle to the wheel ... Any responsible tire installer will have a book that lists the approved tire sizes for a certain rim width. Any responsible tire installer will refuse to mount tires that are too narrow for the wheels. The key word there is 'responsible.'"
Now I know a lot of people do this and I know I seem like an uptight idiot for pointing it out - you do what you want with your car - I just think it's incredibly dumb and potentially dangerous. It might work for you I'm not to judge.
That's the problem with stretched tires, most tire makers don't warrant that practice and you're speed rating will be several steps lower than what it would be if the tire was PROPERLY installed. Not to mention if you are ever in an accident your insurance company will be very unhappy as you, the insured, "did not take the proper steps to maintain your vehicle in a roadworthy state." Unless it is a show car it's a bad idea... here's one argument on it:
"Unfortunately, it is often possible to fit a narrow tire onto a wheel that is too wide for a proper fit by forcing the sidewalls to spread wider than they are designed for. It's pretty easy to recognize this problem, as it leaves the tire sidewalls leaning at a diagonal to the tread instead of vertical. This is extremely bad. Tire sidewalls are supposed to be vertical, since they're what's holding the tire tread stable against the car's weight and protecting the wheel against impacts.
Even more unfortunately many people, in my experience mainly tuners and teenagers, have come to see this useless and dangerous condition as being an acceptable “look”, as if having tires that look “stretched” somehow cancels out the physical idiocy of having tires with sidewalls at a 45-degree angle to the wheel ... Any responsible tire installer will have a book that lists the approved tire sizes for a certain rim width. Any responsible tire installer will refuse to mount tires that are too narrow for the wheels. The key word there is 'responsible.'"
Now I know a lot of people do this and I know I seem like an uptight idiot for pointing it out - you do what you want with your car - I just think it's incredibly dumb and potentially dangerous. It might work for you I'm not to judge.
you think all these guys on here racing m's in the street are really performing within "ideal surrounding conditions?"
premature suspension wear because the side walls aren't there to absorb impact!? i'm not sure if you're being serious or not...
insurance won't be happy?? insurance and warranty all goes out the door once you start modding cars
ride looks nice, your on 18's i assume? and are you on links or full bodies?
01-04-2013, 02:26 AM
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Read all of what I wrote if you have the time and maybe it won't seem so crazy, bottom line is stretching your tires is a bad idea. But the car looks awesome and if it works for him and works for you on your car, then hey, whatever. You both have way more experience than me in modding and it shows but that's just what I've come to learn.
01-04-2013, 02:39 AM
#219
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i think you said it all in the post you just wrote... and the reason why i don't need to read it all
you buy into all the hype and all the bull ****... you want to build something memorable? you want to be different? stop doing only what people say can be done, modding cars is expensive not because of parts or labor but because **** breaks all the time, and thats the way you learn.
any modification is dangerous if not done right, from go fast parts to lowering to something as simple as wiring.. do your homework, make sure you know what your getting into, and make sure the upkeep is worth it to you
they make tires with reinforced side walls, i drive around with a tire pressure gauge and check pressure once a week, i have to flip my tires once a year or so and tires only last me maybe two years.. but im ok with all that
you buy into all the hype and all the bull ****... you want to build something memorable? you want to be different? stop doing only what people say can be done, modding cars is expensive not because of parts or labor but because **** breaks all the time, and thats the way you learn.
any modification is dangerous if not done right, from go fast parts to lowering to something as simple as wiring.. do your homework, make sure you know what your getting into, and make sure the upkeep is worth it to you
they make tires with reinforced side walls, i drive around with a tire pressure gauge and check pressure once a week, i have to flip my tires once a year or so and tires only last me maybe two years.. but im ok with all that
01-05-2013, 04:08 PM
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01-05-2013, 05:05 PM
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08 BENZ E350
WHAT KIND OF SYSTEM ARE YOU THINKING OF GOING WITH??.....IM GOING WITH ACCUAIR SYSTEM THEY GOT THE NICE E-LEVEL SYSTEM. I SHOULD BE GETTING IT IN ABOUT A WEEK OR SO
