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Old 03-18-2014, 11:22 PM
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WIS of wheel alignment

Does anybody have a copy of the WIS for the wheel alignment on a 2009 e320 ?

Please post it. Does if it does specify the ranges, please include them.
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Originally Posted by dave2001auto
Does anybody have a copy of the WIS for the wheel alignment on a 2009 e320 ?

Please post it. Does if it does specify the ranges, please include them.
Thanks,


Is this 320 BlueTec?
I have info for 2008, should not be different:
Attached Thumbnails WIS of wheel alignment-capture.jpg   WIS of wheel alignment-capture1.jpg   WIS of wheel alignment-capture2.jpg   WIS of wheel alignment-capture3.jpg   WIS of wheel alignment-capture4.jpg  

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Helpful, and along with the special repair bolt you also need AR4020P032201T and 0263T----that is if you want to try!!
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Does anybody have a copy of the WIS for the wheel alignment on a 2009 e320 ?

Please post it. Does if it does specify the ranges, please include them.
Thanks,
How much camber adjustment (degress) is possible without installing camber bolts A0003300018?

How much with the four A0003300018 bolts?

Dave

The WIS BE40.20-p-1001-13G front camber adjust is on the web.
I could not find BE40.20-p100#-13G for the front suspension where #= 2 or 3.
and could not find BE40.20-p-100#-09T for the rear suspension,where #=1, 2 or 3.
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How much camber adjustment (degress) is possible without installing camber bolts A0003300018?
None unless you spend 1500-2000$ to get K-Mac kit installed.
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Thanks Isstay. Great set of WIS alignment

Looks like the 127.0.0.1_38562 - AR40.pdf (153.5 KB, no adjustment without the adjustment bolt) is different from the AR40.20-P-0322T (about 21' adjustment without adjustment bolt). I have a 2009 e211 bluetec, so it's a w211.022 and the EPC gave the adjust bolt part number A0003300018.

Which WIS is the correct one for my car?
If it the -0322T, I will not buy the adjustment bolts.
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AR40.20-P-0322T (about 21' adjustment without adjustment bolt).
This is only reference table - your caster will change if your springs and shocks are extended or compressed and thus why this table is provided - to give you most accurate number based on vehicle load.
You need to buy those bolts, but they are also limited in adjustment values. In general if you did not make any big suspension overhauls and changes they will do it for you.
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This is only reference table - your caster will change if your springs and shocks are extended or compressed and thus why this table is provided - to give you most accurate number based on vehicle load.
You need to buy those bolts, but they are also limited in adjustment values. In general if you did not make any big suspension overhauls and changes they will do it for you.
Thanks Isstay, I was a little bit confused cause the picture in AR4.20-P-0263PW is of a front wheel drive instead of my RWD. The adjustment bolt for -263PW is will be single slotted while the picture in AR40.20-P-0322T is a two slotted adjustment bolt. Do you know if A0003300018 is a single or double slotted bolt?
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I've read that some of the C-class car comes with the adjustment bolts. Do you know if the adjustment bolts comes with the 2009 e320 bluetec The EPC on that bolt ths A0003300018 TS bolt Parts Kit for adjustment work only. No other bolt is listed. Does not mean that it's already on the car?
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Originally Posted by dave2001auto
picture in AR4.20-P-0263PW is of a front wheel drive instead of my RWD. The adjustment bolt for -263PW is will be single slotted while the picture in AR40.20-P-0322T is a two slotted adjustment bolt. Do you know if A0003300018 is a single or double slotted bolt?
It is 4-Matic (all wheel drive). It is double slotted bolt.

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Does not mean that it's already on the car?
No is not already installed.
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You can look under the car and you will see if both bolts have slots or not.
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Originally Posted by isstay
It is 4-Matic (all wheel drive). It is double slotted bolt.


No is not already installed.
Thanks Isstay.

That's real strange. Your WIS shows a single slot when it's a double slotted on your 4-Matic and the other WIS shows a double slotted bolt on the RWD's front adjustment bolts (while EPC part number is for single slotted bolt).

I did look and there is no slot on the bolts. I will need to buy them. Now do I trust the EPC's part number or the WIS diagram (without a part number). What's the part number for a double slotted bolt? Are they the same diameter?
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Thanks Isstay.

That's real strange. Your WIS shows a single slot when it's a double slotted on your 4-Matic and the other WIS shows a double slotted bolt on the RWD's front adjustment bolts (while EPC part number is for single slotted bolt).

I did look and there is no slot on the bolts. I will need to buy them. Now do I trust the EPC's part number or the WIS diagram (without a part number). What's the part number for a double slotted bolt? Are they the same diameter?
RWD cars used double slotted bolts (I am positive on this because I installed them on my car) in vertical position, 4Matic uses single slot bolt in horizontal orientation. The picture I am attaching is for 4Matic and shows single slot bolt in horizontal slot placement. As you can see it says: "Adjust camber and caster at the front axle" and shows single slot bolt and you also can see one of the half shafts (existing only on 4Matics).
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RWD cars used double slotted bolts (I am positive on this because I installed them on my car) in vertical position, 4Matic uses single slot bolt in horizontal orientation. The picture I am attaching is for 4Matic and shows single slot bolt in horizontal slot placement. As you can see it says: "Adjust camber and caster at the front axle" and shows single slot bolt and you also can see one of the half shafts (existing only on 4Matics).
That's exactly what is confusing me. As you wrote the RWD should have a double slotted bolt, but the EPC number A0003300018 looks like a single slotted bolt. What is the part number for the double slotted bolt?

After Alignment Alignment all in degress
L R Front
-1.5 -1.2 Camber Out of range -1.1 to -0.5
10.0 10.1 Caster
0.09 0.04 Toe
4.9 5.4 SAI
3.5 4.2 Included Angle
-0.3 Cross camber Almost out of range -0.3 to 0.3
0.0 Cross Caster
-0.4 Cross SAI
0.13 Total Toe

L R Rear
-1.2 -1.6 Camber Out of range -1.5 to -0.5
0.18 0.21 Toe
0.4 Cross Camber
0.39 Total Toe
-0.01 Thrust Angle
Car is pulling very slightly to the right with very worn tires.

The camber was not adjusted cause no camber bolt. Should a set be put in? My mechanics doesn't carry them, so it will be up to me to supply them. What's the part number?

Dave
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None unless you spend 1500-2000$ to get K-Mac kit installed.
+1 Right. Guess how I know
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RWD cars used double slotted bolts (I am positive on this because I installed them on my car) in vertical position, 4Matic uses single slot bolt in horizontal orientation. The picture I am attaching is for 4Matic and shows single slot bolt in horizontal slot placement. As you can see it says: "Adjust camber and caster at the front axle" and shows single slot bolt and you also can see one of the half shafts (existing only on 4Matics).
Is it just the placement of the slotted bolt or does the lower arm need to move in for positive and out for negative camber? If the latter, should there be about 1/3 to 1/2 of the camber adjustment by leaving the bolt in the center position and moving the arm outward?
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Here's a diagram for clarification of the front camber on the RWD W211.
It looks like some adjustment is possible without the double slotted bolt. But the EPC part number 000 330 00 18 looks like a single slotted bolt. Do I have the correct part number for the double slotted bolt kit?

Are the rear camber adjustable with a simple camber bolt?
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Is it just the placement of the slotted bolt or does the lower arm need to move in for positive and out for negative camber? If the latter, should there be about 1/3 to 1/2 of the camber adjustment by leaving the bolt in the center position and moving the arm outward?
The bolt is fixed into subframe opening and in center position between bushings ridges, it should not allow any movement unless those ridges are been damaged when taking the bolt out or installing it (should never be turned), thus why MB does not recommend wheel alighment after control arm bushing replacement. Camber is increased by moving the arm out and setting the bolt on the inner ridges and decreased when you push the arm inward and set the bolt on outer ridges.

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Here's a diagram for clarification of the front camber on the RWD W211.
It looks like some adjustment is possible without the double slotted bolt. But the EPC part number 000 330 00 18 looks like a single slotted bolt. Do I have the correct part number for the double slotted bolt kit?
No adjustment is possible with out the bolts unless the bushing ridges are been damaged. This is the correct part number and is double slotted bolt.

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Are the rear camber adjustable with a simple camber bolt?
There is no camber bolt for adjustment on the back offered by MB unless you find some aftermarket kit, only toe can be adjusted.

I do not know what you did to your car but if is not been lowered or in accident and you have alighment issues. I will advice you to check the status of your bushings and ball joints. It made huge difference in my car after ball joints and control and torsion arm bushings replacement w/o even performing alighment on it. Inner edge tire wear stopped right away.
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The bolt is fixed into subframe opening and in center position between bushings ridges, it should not allow any movement unless those ridges are been damaged when taking the bolt out or installing it (should never be turned), thus why MB does not recommend wheel alighment after control arm bushing replacement. Camber is increased by moving the arm out and setting the bolt on the inner ridges and decreased when you push the arm inward and set the bolt on outer ridges.



No adjustment is possible with out the bolts unless the bushing ridges are been damaged. This is the correct part number and is double slotted bolt.



There is no camber bolt for adjustment on the back offered by MB unless you find some aftermarket kit, only toe can be adjusted.

I do not know what you did to your car but if is not been lowered or in accident and you have alighment issues. I will advice you to check the status of your bushings and ball joints. It made huge difference in my car after ball joints and control and torsion arm bushings replacement w/o even performing alighment on it. Inner edge tire wear stopped right away.
thanks, Issay.
It sounds like the front camber can only be adjusted in 0.40 steps due to the bushing ridges. If the camber bolt and control arm is shift over from -1.5 to -1.1 on the left and -1.2 on the Right with no camber bolt or -0.0 with the adj bolt). Will this effect the caster--should I have the adjustment bolt installed at this time? Why not just break off the ridges and have varible adjustable instead of just 3 steps on the camber and caster?

The front end is good. It has been inspected by the dealer 7,000 miles ago and by an indy last week, and firestone alignment yesterday.
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Camber - Lower control arm.

Caster - torsion arm.

Toe in/out - tie road end.
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Why not just break off the ridges and have varible adjustable instead of just 3 steps on the camber and caster?
Because next time you hit pot hole you will need alignment and eventually those aluminum bushings inserts will be down to the rubber and then worst will come.
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Because next time you hit pot hole you will need alignment and eventually those aluminum bushings inserts will be down to the rubber and then worst will come.
i think the springs lose their strength, then the car gets lower and more negative camber.


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