About 600 electronic items remove for 05' W211
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Re: Re: Re: About 600 electronic items remove for 05' W211
Originally posted by rusnakmb
I did mention that 04 did not have active headlight., which i don't see any 04 has active headlight in it. It is an option for 05
But that was due to manufacture's decision.
I did mention that 04 did not have active headlight., which i don't see any 04 has active headlight in it. It is an option for 05
But that was due to manufacture's decision.
Well.... Take a good look at my 04, It has Active headlights (Feb 04 build date).....
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What is wrong? Do you think I provide wrong info to yall?.
What is wrong? Do you think I provide wrong info to yall?.
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The more I hear about the things going on with the E Class the more I wonder if I should keep my 05 E320 CDI when it arrives next month. I have never had such mixed emotions about a new MB. Just venting !!!!
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Originally posted by MB-JIM
The more I hear about the things going on with the E Class the more I wonder if I should keep my 05 E320 CDI when it arrives next month. I have never had such mixed emotions about a new MB. Just venting !!!!
The more I hear about the things going on with the E Class the more I wonder if I should keep my 05 E320 CDI when it arrives next month. I have never had such mixed emotions about a new MB. Just venting !!!!
My last benz was a 95 diesel, so maybe I don't know what i'm missing but the 05 cdi is a great car, you won't be sorry
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Re: Re: Re: Re: About 600 electronic items remove for 05' W211
Originally posted by HELL ONA HARLEY
Well.... Take a good look at my 04, It has Active headlights (Feb 04 build date).....
In a word.... Yes.
Well.... Take a good look at my 04, It has Active headlights (Feb 04 build date).....
In a word.... Yes.
I don't know what to say, but you are acting like a kid. Tell ya what, manufacture decided when to update the product. Each year they are 2 to 3 production changes. When the starting 04 model which produce in 03 did not have active headlight. It was add on in later production model. You are holding me for something back long while ago.
Not every 04 model have active headlight, which the earlier model of 04 did not have. I post in earlier of the year when there are still no active headlight. Do you know what are the code for active headlight? I bet you don't. Don't worry, I'll give you time to do your research before psoting in here.
Since the first production model and 05 E Class already have some changes. Are you holding anyone to give you information that LAST for a year or two? It is your own responsibility to UPDATE the current information. I am here to provide information for FREE. So keep that for yoruself.
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Hi all,
This information doesn't necessary mean bad for MB to cut certain electrical function. The only reason MB did that is base on the current complain of E Class which too many electric function that E class owner having problem with. Some MB decide to cut down the function and make it SIMPLE.
For example, the oil level. The oil level is base on computer to tell, but you always get more or less oil for your car inform by on board computer. There is no dip stick to test the oil level for E class owner, which is really bad.
For tech, to check the oil level which the car have to do loop of dionostic before the result come up. Sometimes the dionositic don't even show anything wrong. Believe it or not, i have see the tech in the back spend 2 to 3 hours still can't find out the oil level for the car.....
I agree with MB which the car have too many electric function that should be cut down and make it simple. The electric function doesn't necessary mean the consumer will miss what you pay for. MB mainly trying to improve the quality of the automobile with less visit to your local MB service center.
This information doesn't necessary mean bad for MB to cut certain electrical function. The only reason MB did that is base on the current complain of E Class which too many electric function that E class owner having problem with. Some MB decide to cut down the function and make it SIMPLE.
For example, the oil level. The oil level is base on computer to tell, but you always get more or less oil for your car inform by on board computer. There is no dip stick to test the oil level for E class owner, which is really bad.
For tech, to check the oil level which the car have to do loop of dionostic before the result come up. Sometimes the dionositic don't even show anything wrong. Believe it or not, i have see the tech in the back spend 2 to 3 hours still can't find out the oil level for the car.....
I agree with MB which the car have too many electric function that should be cut down and make it simple. The electric function doesn't necessary mean the consumer will miss what you pay for. MB mainly trying to improve the quality of the automobile with less visit to your local MB service center.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: About 600 electronic items remove for 05' W211
Originally posted by rusnakmb
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I am here to provide information for FREE.
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I am here to provide information for FREE.
Well I guess its true, you get what you pay for....
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Much Ado About Nothing?
The quote in the article that was posted says "LAST year we removed over 600 functions from our cars." Does this mean that the items were ALREADY removed from 2004? 
Barry, I agree with you about the "having to push and hold" the memory feature. This one puzzled me too. Why not just push once like the express windows and sunroof? My only idea is that perhaps in an overengineered kind of way it was intended to be differentiated from the simple press-once feature involved in setting the memory.
Barry, I agree with you about the "having to push and hold" the memory feature. This one puzzled me too. Why not just push once like the express windows and sunroof? My only idea is that perhaps in an overengineered kind of way it was intended to be differentiated from the simple press-once feature involved in setting the memory.
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Push and Hold on the memory seats prevents a very severe setting from mistakenly being applied - say someone 5'0 tall has setting 1 applied and someone 6'5 presses that setting - it could be painful with no way to stop the setting from being applied. With push and hold you could sense that something wasnt right and stop the motion of the seats. My BMW 330 Coupe actually has push and hold and one touch based on whether the door is open, the ignition is in the key and a third factor i'm still not sure about - talk about complexity!
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Hi guys,
MB did not inclosed every list of detail on the bulletons, so i'll try to find out more. BTW, the source of informaion wasn't from some article or magazine review. It is from MB direct. It doesn't tell us what exactually what will be elimate or changes.
MB did not inclosed every list of detail on the bulletons, so i'll try to find out more. BTW, the source of informaion wasn't from some article or magazine review. It is from MB direct. It doesn't tell us what exactually what will be elimate or changes.
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Originally posted by Mercedes101
Push and Hold on the memory seats prevents a very severe setting from mistakenly being applied - say someone 5'0 tall has setting 1 applied and someone 6'5 presses that setting - it could be painful with no way to stop the setting from being applied. With push and hold you could sense that something wasnt right and stop the motion of the seats...!
Push and Hold on the memory seats prevents a very severe setting from mistakenly being applied - say someone 5'0 tall has setting 1 applied and someone 6'5 presses that setting - it could be painful with no way to stop the setting from being applied. With push and hold you could sense that something wasnt right and stop the motion of the seats...!
Absolutely, spot on. Can you imagine someone being pulverised through the steering wheel like some giant potato mash ?
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Cadillac seats work with either 1 touch of the button (no holding in until motion is complete), or when you start the car (your choice)... I have never read of a smashed driver/passenger/child/bag of groceries, etc. Sort of like designing a toilet that wont flush unless a person is sitting on the seat, so no water can splash out & wet the floor... a very real possibility, but one which merits absolutely no forethought, explanation or engineering.
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My wife got in my car with my car (she shouldn't have) changed the seat, I pressed the button and did move way too far forward. It is a great piece of engineering (the hold button).
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I think the hold feature is the way to go. My Lexus was one touch, but you could override it either by hitting the brake or pressing the button again. Holding it down prevents any undue squishing since you can stop it if you find out it is going too far.
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I am pretty disappointed with the removal of items also but fortunately I read this forums enough to get the '04 instead of an early '05. I think it does say a lot about benz that they are removing items but the car is still really advanced even without these items.
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Why is it you must push and HOLD the memory button untill all seat/mirror movement has been completed? It should be a "press momentarily" button that will complete by itself.
this is one in my e39 -- one touch memory seat setting.
actually, driver seat should be ajusted to the right position after you disarm it from your remote. (why should I need to HOLD the button for adjusting my driver seat when I have told you who I am ???)
why does mb remove 600 electronic items? because they do NOT work as they are expected.
a correct solution: fire 600 electronic engineers and hire them from lexus or infiniti electronic departments.
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You DON'T want the seat to go into position when you unlock the door. You want the seat to move after you are in, and have started the car.... but we agree you shouldnt have to push & hold once the car knows who unlocked it.
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You DON'T want the seat to go into position when you unlock the door
it saves time and you can drive car right away.
You want the seat to move after you are in, and have started the car
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Don't forget, the seat moved back & the wheel moved up, when the short person exited the car, so the seat is already back, ready for you to enter comfortably. When you get in & start the car you would want the seat to go into your driving position.
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Originally posted by Otto
why not?
it saves time and you can drive car right away.
why not?
it saves time and you can drive car right away.
I've seen people do this even while holding the seat adjustment... down down down down CRACK.
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Barry45RPM:
Your comment makes sense, but unfortunately not for our car. Easy entry/exit feature works sporadically since purchase (10 months ago) and keys don't always remember the settings. Many times I have to crawl halfway into the seat, insert key and use the M button to adjust the seat before fully entering. As for why this is still a problem, comments for another thread...
Your comment makes sense, but unfortunately not for our car. Easy entry/exit feature works sporadically since purchase (10 months ago) and keys don't always remember the settings. Many times I have to crawl halfway into the seat, insert key and use the M button to adjust the seat before fully entering. As for why this is still a problem, comments for another thread...
