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Old 09-23-2004, 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by khaug
It's been 4-5 years and the details of the report have escaped my memory, but I remember that there was no sign of any deterioration or contamination of the oil that would have called for a change @ 6,000 mi.
Was this for a gasoline or diesel engine? Do they analyze the additive package?

I wonder if anyone has ever gone over 200K miles on a M112/M113 engne using an extended oil change interval.

Of course anyone who is only going to keep his car for a few years shouldn't care. I seriously doubt I could have driven my 190D for 17 years with 20K oil changes and still go 4K on a quart of oil.
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Originally Posted by BudC
Was this for a gasoline or diesel engine? Do they analyze the additive package?

I wonder if anyone has ever gone over 200K miles on a M112/M113 engne using an extended oil change interval.

Of course anyone who is only going to keep his car for a few years shouldn't care. I seriously doubt I could have driven my 190D for 17 years with 20K oil changes and still go 4K on a quart of oil.
I've read about a 2000 SLK230 with 400k miles on it...I believe it used FSS as it recommended services.

Also, it may not be a M112/M113 engine but a few ML's on this board have gone over 100k/150k on FSS without problems

Just remembered, there's a guy on the ML side with a 2000 ML430 w/ 200k miles...followed the FSS since day one, Mobil 1 syn every 10k miles no problems to date.

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Old 09-23-2004, 11:08 PM
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I use Mobil 1 and was changing it at 3,000 mile intervals as I'd always done. Then I decided to do an oil analysis on what came out of our '98 Toyota 4Runner that I used to tow my track car. Turned out I'd been throwing away essentially new oil, so I doubled my change interval to 6,000 miles.

Oil analysis at this mileage shows there's still no problem, but I'm old-fashioned enough to have stuck with the 6K interval since. I'll probably do the same when we get our CDI.

Incidentally, I was delighted to discover that WalMart is now carrying the 0w-40 Mobil 1 that M-B specifies for the diesel-engined cars, and for a semi-reasonable $4.77/qt.
Have you done any homework on how Delvac 1 works with the new CDI engine. I new the Delvac covers a range of weights.
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Old 09-23-2004, 11:16 PM
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I new the Delvac covers a range of weights.
Huh??? Quien sabe!
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Old 09-23-2004, 11:21 PM
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Was this for a gasoline or diesel engine? Do they analyze the additive package?
'Twas a 3.4 L gasoline engine. Blackstone's basic spectroscopic analysis does indirectly cover the additive package to some extent - go to their web site for details: www.blackstone-labs.com
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Old 09-23-2004, 11:36 PM
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I'm not to worried about the interval. I think they know what their doing. They know that if engines start to go bad, their is no coming back for mercedes. Saying that I have a 2003 CLK with 43,000 miles and only brought it in every 10,000 as the FSS said. And I do alot of downshifts and revving. Working just fine. Hoping it will last for at least 200,000 miles
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Originally Posted by gbahri
I'm not to worried about the interval. I think they know what their doing. They know that if engines start to go bad, their is no coming back for mercedes. Saying that I have a 2003 CLK with 43,000 miles and only brought it in every 10,000 as the FSS said. And I do alot of downshifts and revving. Working just fine. Hoping it will last for at least 200,000 miles
Let us know when you get 200K

People are saying that they have no problem with the FSS intervals but nobody that I know of has put serious miles on their cars using these extended intervals.

I wonder what the German taxi cab companies are doing.
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Originally Posted by michakaveli
Have you done any homework on how Delvac 1 works with the new CDI engine. I new the Delvac covers a range of weights.
Is it available in the US or only in Canada? In Europe there is a Mobil 1 0W-40 Turbo Diesel oil which I've found to be identical to the 0W-40 Mobil 1 sold in this country.

http://www.mobil.com/Canada-English/...ac_1_5W-40.asp
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M-B specifies oil meeting "sheets 229.3 and 229.5" for the CDI series of engines. Delvac is not listed as meeting either of these specs. Mobil 1 0w-40 meets 229.5.

I'm not an engineer, but I worked as a paralegal for three years. Delvac may be the greatest thing since high-button shoes, but if you have an engine failure while using Delvac and M-B refuses warranty coverage, you won't have a legal leg to stand on, IMHO.
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Old 09-24-2004, 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by BudC
Let us know when you get 200K
I wonder what the German taxi cab companies are doing.
I would have thought exactly the same as any of there other European counterparts.

As I have repeatedly stated on this forum, European E-class and other model Mercedes-Benz either come with, or have the option of ASSYST. This excellent system monitors when the vehicle is due for a service and owners can expect servicing intervals of between 20 - 25,000 miles. Haulage companies, courier services, taxi's, ambulance and Police services are now taking advantage of these huge cost saving servicing intervals.

I was surprised to see E-class Police vehicles and curiosity got the better of me. They are purchased on a 'fixed price buy back' after three years. Servicing is carried out by the local Mercedes-Benz dealer as per the ASSYST progam. (This has made costing much easier for the relevant fleet managers). Each vehicle will cover an average minimum of 80,000 miles per year, and as a Police traffic vehicle each mile will have to be 'earned'.

These high mileage service intervals obviously do NOT apply to US vehicles. I have read with great interest the differing views of each US owner and I value their opinions.

If I thought for one milli-second that changing the oil of either of our Mercedes-Benz on a more regular basis would be beneficial then it would be done. That has not been the case to date, and in the future I can only see the intervals being further extended.

Thanks for an interesting thread

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I'm right with Glojo here.

Interesting thread but you are all wasting your time effort and money on oil changes. Might have worked on a 1966 Mustang but not relevant today.

First service on my w211 E270cdi was at 24,000. No oil required up to then. The service was as indicated by ASSYST on the dash.

Total service cost around $500 incidentally, which for 24000miles was reasonable. That included brake fluid change, the oil and filters etc.

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Originally Posted by marc777
I'm right with Glojo here.
Interesting thread but you are all wasting your time effort and money on oil changes. Might have worked on a 1966 Mustang but not relevant today.

Sunny Oxford England
Hi Marc,
Unfortunately I side with our colleagues from 'over the sea'. Their fuel is not of the same quality and perhaps might cause problems trying to acheive the service intervals that we have come to expect.

Sadly low sulphur fuel compares with talking about religion and politics on this forum.

Your servicing charge sounds awfully expensive, (Ooops just noticed you had converted it to '$' Sorry) Still it would be interesting to hear of anyone else that has had their first ASSYST service. On our previous 210 E-class it was £240 and that was approximately December/January this year. I was paying that every six months on our 940 Volvo!!

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Old 09-24-2004, 09:17 AM
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An oil change on the new W211's will cost me about $50 in the US and less than an hour of my time (which includes servicing air filters, cabin filters, etc.).

Unless or until I see people getting well over 200K on their engines with no problems, I'll change my oil on a 10K/1 year schedule or maybe more frequently.

I live in Arizona and it's really hot and really dusty.

Since I have my synthetic oil recycled and since I feel it's better to recycle oil than to recycle cars, I'm not going to be tight fisted about a few oil changes.
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Well, the "much-needed" 1000 mile break-in service is not an oil change. The service guys at my dealer -- who are very good by the way -- said it was simply to answer any questionins and see if any adjustments needed to me made. I tell you this from personal experience because I brought my car in at right around 1000 mi because it had a faulty tire pressure sensor on one wheel. I asked them to change it and to do the "1000 mile service". They said there was nothing scheduled for 1000 miles. It was sort of a courtesy visit. There is a tire rotation provided -- before 6000 mi have elapsed from delivery. Then you're on your own. Thus, my take is that the 1000 mile service is pretty meaningless.
My bad, it's true, no oil change for the 05's at 1000 clicks. Agreed, the thing that sounds meaningless is what they do for the "1k service".

The fact that the synthetic oil is better is great but what concerns me but the filtration of the tiny metallic particles that new engines produce; I would imagine the filters have improved as much as the oils???

If I wasn't leasing I would have done a change at 1000-2000 miles for sure.

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I read some opinion to change oil every weekend.
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