Oslo

New E-class engines: (Dates = EU)

E 350 3,5 Litres V6 M272 with 272HP from Dec 2004
E 280 CDI with 190 HP 3,0 Litres V6-CDI (OM642) ca June 2005, also in CLK
E 320 CDI with 231 HP 3,0 Litres V6-CDI (OM642) ca June 2005, also in CLK (+Cabrio)
E 280 V6 M272 with 231 HP 2,8 Litres June 2005
E 400 CDI V8 OM629 with 300 HP from ca. September 2005
E 280 CDI 4matic V6-CDI 3,0 Litres 190 HP from ca. September 2005
E 320 CDI 4matic V6-CDI 3,0 Litres 231 HP from ca. September 2005

Brian_I.

I knew I should have waited. Oh well...

glojo

Thanks Oslo,
I note the 280CDI and 320 are the same 3.0ltr engine, so could it just be different mapping?

Regards,
John

ATS

Many of those engines may be just for the EU market.

SAguirre

I could not be more impressed with the power and innovation that MB is coming out in their new engines. BUT, doesn’t it suck when you are stuck with the “old model?” At least the body style is here to stay for a few years to come.

The only thing that brings me solace is that my 3.2 still beats the crap out of the 3.8 and 4.0 engines from the American markets. Also, the 3.2 and 5.0 engines in our W211 are great proven workhorses that have been flawless over the last 6 + years.

My inline six had a lot more problems than this 3.2 V6. It had issues as basic as valve seals at 100k miles, head gaskets and injectors at 40k miles and of course two water pumps by 130K miles. Since 1998, the 500 and 320 engines have been miles ahead of the game! Our W211s have engines that should keep us out of the consumer test phase.

I would hate to have a bunch of problems with a new engine! Even though I plan to keep my car for a long time, I might get a tic and but a CDI 4 Matic after seeing how they get the kinks out. But even then, it might be after the W211 is retired and if I like the replacement.

Innovation is always good; hassle with new engines is not.

Steven Aguirre

Hey are the 280 CDI and the 320 CDI the same displacement then? Where does the PS difference come from?

Oslo

In many European countries, like ours, we pay taxes from: Total weight, volume of the engine and HP. What they have done here, is to (electronically) reduce the HP. That will, in my country, mean 8-10.000 USD decrease in the price. And it's fairly easy (and cheap) to upgrade the engine again to 320. If your moral is extremely high, you should take a trip downtown, and pay the difference in taxes……… :p

SAguirre

Oslo, I understand (for the most part) how Europe taxes cars. I lived there for 3 years and paid a bunch on my cars.

I am surprised that for theses two models the 320 and the 280, the displacement is 3 liters. Then MB has strayed from their number=engine size once again. I am then surprised that MB is detuning an engine and badging it differently to help their customers avoid taxes. I would just imagine that they would just call it a 300 if the engine size is 3.0.

The US's taxes vary from state to state. When I lived in Florida, the taxes were really cheap. but here in Colorado it depends on the car's vaule. At least the car's taxes get cheaper as the car gets older. I don't think that any state charges taxes depending on PS and engine size here in the US.


Steve

Oslo

According to my sources, there will also be a new 300 CDI with 218 HP. No date set yet.

Fastbuck

Maybe they'll rebadge the 280 as a 300 CDI and the 320 as a 350 CDI???

Oslo

They are bringing out so many sorts of engines, that they run out of numbers...

glojo

If you look closely at both Mercedes-Benz and BMW model numbers the engine cubic capacity quite often does not equate to the actual model number?? (Morphine must be cutting in)

The Kompressor range comes to mind (2.3 Kompressor is a 1.8ltr engine)

BMW's new 3.5 diesel is only a 3.0ltr engine

Regards,
John

Vivek

As per MB Germany website, E350 RWD will have 7G-TRONIC transmission whereas the E350 4Matic will continue to have the 5 speed auto. This is the same specification as it exists now for E500.

http://www.mercedes-benz.de/mbd/pdf/..._limousine.pdf