Anticipating Price
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2000 CLK430 Coupe
Anticipating Price
Well, I have a feeling my 2003 E320 is going to cost me around $55,000. This seems a lot for a V-6. I wonder if it makes sense to order the E500 instead and pay the extra $5-6k for the V-8 which comes w/ semi-active suspension, full leather standard, and n/c for metallic paint?
My car went into MB's system as of yesterday with the following options:
1. Obsidian Black Metallic (+$640)*
2. Ash Full Leather Interior (+1410)**
3. E1 Package (+$1125)*
4. E2 Package (+$1645)*
5. Multicontour (+740)*
6. Rear Sunshade (+$430)*
7. Rear Side Roller Blinds (+$310)***
*Price from 2002 E320
**Price from 2002 C320
***Price for 2002 S430
Even is MB keeps the base price the same as this year's E320, of $49,115, this brings my car price to $55,415. And that's before destination charges are added. That E500 is looking like more bang for the buck if it prices out at about $60k.
My car went into MB's system as of yesterday with the following options:
1. Obsidian Black Metallic (+$640)*
2. Ash Full Leather Interior (+1410)**
3. E1 Package (+$1125)*
4. E2 Package (+$1645)*
5. Multicontour (+740)*
6. Rear Sunshade (+$430)*
7. Rear Side Roller Blinds (+$310)***
*Price from 2002 E320
**Price from 2002 C320
***Price for 2002 S430
Even is MB keeps the base price the same as this year's E320, of $49,115, this brings my car price to $55,415. And that's before destination charges are added. That E500 is looking like more bang for the buck if it prices out at about $60k.
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Just a guess! I hope the E500 does not have the $1000 Gas Guzzler tax like the S500.
I think MBZ should have put the same 4.3 liter engine from the C43 with 302hp instead of the 5.0 with same HP.
Everyone else (Audi, Jaguar, Lexus, BMW, Cadillac, etc.) is getting 300+ HP from 4.0 to 4.4 liter engines.
I think MBZ should have put the same 4.3 liter engine from the C43 with 302hp instead of the 5.0 with same HP.
Everyone else (Audi, Jaguar, Lexus, BMW, Cadillac, etc.) is getting 300+ HP from 4.0 to 4.4 liter engines.
Last edited by E55 KEV; Jun 14, 2002 at 07:46 AM.
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my thoughts exactly...
i am in the same boat as you are. i really like the new E, but was opting for the V6 320 for various reasons, but was thinking about better gas mileage, cheaper maintenance costs, etc. but now, i'm waiting to do a price and option comparison. the E 500 V8 is starting to sound more and more appealing!
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I think MBZ should have put the same 4.3 liter engine from the C43 with 302hp instead of the 5.0 with same HP.
Everyone else (Audi, Jaguar, Lexus, BMW, Cadillac, etc.) is getting 300+ HP from 4.0 to 4.4 liter engines. [/B]
I think MBZ should have put the same 4.3 liter engine from the C43 with 302hp instead of the 5.0 with same HP.
Everyone else (Audi, Jaguar, Lexus, BMW, Cadillac, etc.) is getting 300+ HP from 4.0 to 4.4 liter engines. [/B]
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same gas tax likely
Since the engines are the same it will be likely that they have the same guzzler tax. When I ordered the E55 last month, he was fairly sure it would not be over 78k for my options. I only got the Pano roof since everything else is standard. One of the reasons I always get the top of the line cars is because all the options are included for just a little more money. The difference between the loaded C320 sport and the C32 was about 5 grand. Easy decision. Difference between the loaded Volvo S80 2.9 and a T6 was only about 2 grand. If youre looking for a bare bones car, they stay with the cheap one, but if you are one that opts for the fun toys then get the better model which will have all the toys in it.
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Only thing with Benzs is that the money factors (on leasing) are high on AMG cars (because they are limited production)- especially on the new models. So, if you compare similar MSRP's with a loaded E500 and and a new E55K....I'll bet the lease prices on the E55 will be around $200-$250/month higher.
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Felix,
Putting 5.0 liter engine in E-Class, M-Class, CLK is the cheap way to go. No engineering dollars needed. Where is MBZ's engineering leadership by slapping a existing/old motor in a car and calling it new? There is nothing new about that 5.0 motor and when compared to the other companies 4 liter engines it does not stand out.
Some Euros pay taxes on engine displacement so they would rather have 302 Hp from 4.3 rather than 302 from 5.0. Torque is high in the other cars also - BMW 4.4 has 324 and Lexus GS430 has 325. Never heard of any smoothness issues from these cars.
The E430 sales numbers are way lower than E320 and data shows that the V6 E320 holds more value than a V8. The 5.0 motor will not sell more units than the previous W210 V8.
Putting that 5.0 motor with 'only' 302HP in these platforms does not impress me. Getting 325HP from 4.4 liters does impress me!
Mercedes must be running out of engineering ideas & innovations? - that is why they are slapping superchargers & turbos (both old technology) on everything to get more HP while every one else is building new engines with more HP.
Putting 5.0 liter engine in E-Class, M-Class, CLK is the cheap way to go. No engineering dollars needed. Where is MBZ's engineering leadership by slapping a existing/old motor in a car and calling it new? There is nothing new about that 5.0 motor and when compared to the other companies 4 liter engines it does not stand out.
Some Euros pay taxes on engine displacement so they would rather have 302 Hp from 4.3 rather than 302 from 5.0. Torque is high in the other cars also - BMW 4.4 has 324 and Lexus GS430 has 325. Never heard of any smoothness issues from these cars.
The E430 sales numbers are way lower than E320 and data shows that the V6 E320 holds more value than a V8. The 5.0 motor will not sell more units than the previous W210 V8.
Putting that 5.0 motor with 'only' 302HP in these platforms does not impress me. Getting 325HP from 4.4 liters does impress me!
Mercedes must be running out of engineering ideas & innovations? - that is why they are slapping superchargers & turbos (both old technology) on everything to get more HP while every one else is building new engines with more HP.
Last edited by E55 KEV; Jun 16, 2002 at 07:59 AM.
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E55 KEV,
I agree 99% with You.
As you said, the 5.0 liter engine is a 'cheap' and 'temporary' fix for Mercedes due to a tough competition: Lexus 4.3, BMW 4.4 and the Audi 4.X (I don't remember).
With the Formula 1 experience, I am sure Mercedes will come up with the next generation engine such as direct injection,.....
Will see in another 2 or 3 years......
I agree 99% with You.
As you said, the 5.0 liter engine is a 'cheap' and 'temporary' fix for Mercedes due to a tough competition: Lexus 4.3, BMW 4.4 and the Audi 4.X (I don't remember).
With the Formula 1 experience, I am sure Mercedes will come up with the next generation engine such as direct injection,.....
Will see in another 2 or 3 years......
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Same here...
I have an E320 on order and the E500 sounds much more appealing now...
The options I am waiting for are;
Navigation (which I really hope is available this FALL)
Phone
Bi-Xenon Lights
Black exterior with the stone color interior
In Dash 6 CD changer
MB has had my deposit since Feb 2002, am way above on the list at my dealer in Miami...
Would be nice to know the costs now to make the final decision..
The E320 with the 215 or 221 HP engine, not sure which one is coming, should be at least 250HP and the E500 should be 325+HP,,, For the cost of this car, I really hope the power is there, it may look nice,,,but bottom line it better "take off" nice
Am here just waiting to trade in my 97' 528i, still waiting!!!!!!
I have an E320 on order and the E500 sounds much more appealing now...
The options I am waiting for are;
Navigation (which I really hope is available this FALL)
Phone
Bi-Xenon Lights
Black exterior with the stone color interior
In Dash 6 CD changer
MB has had my deposit since Feb 2002, am way above on the list at my dealer in Miami...
Would be nice to know the costs now to make the final decision..
The E320 with the 215 or 221 HP engine, not sure which one is coming, should be at least 250HP and the E500 should be 325+HP,,, For the cost of this car, I really hope the power is there, it may look nice,,,but bottom line it better "take off" nice
Am here just waiting to trade in my 97' 528i, still waiting!!!!!!
