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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 08:27 PM
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A 2011 e550 tire question

MB heads, hello.......

No, still not here, lol....

Any '11 driver willing to give me specs on tire compatibility with
18x8.5 in front and 18x9.5 in the rear? I think it's a bit different for
the 4matic though........so any 4matic info would help......
I've looked on the mbusa and only found the regular sizes for the sport
e550....and can't tell for sure if I can use the same tires....or get wider tires in the rear because of the wider wheel?
kind of confused...

any insight would be helpful..
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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 08:59 PM
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You can only use a non-staggered wheel setup on the 4-matic. Otherwise, you risk blowing the transfer case due to dissimilar wheel diameters.


Sport 4MATIC: (8.5 x 18.0 front/rear)

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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 09:15 PM
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You definitely do not want the bill of a blown 4-Matic transfer case on your hands.

With 4-Matic, definitely stick with a non-staggered setup.
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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 09:28 PM
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glad I asked

thanx for the quick replies gents....
so if I exchange the two 9.5's to have 8.5's all around
I should be okay......I wish the dealer would have picked up on this when I explained
it all to them.....but whatever........
should I even get rims (that are lighter than the stocks) if I have 4matic? hmmmm....

thanx again
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What you need to be concerned about is that the overall diameter front and rear stays nearly the same, staggered or not. The preference is between 0 - 2% difference max. And that is calculating the worst case with one tire at 2/32 tread and the other at 10/32 tread.
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Old Oct 23, 2010 | 12:07 AM
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What you need to be concerned about is that the overall diameter front and rear stays nearly the same, staggered or not. The preference is between 0 - 2% difference max. And that is calculating the worst case with one tire at 2/32 tread and the other at 10/32 tread.
Huh? You are a moderator right? I question your knowledge on tires! Try www.google.com It is a great starting point.

Hyper, since you are getting the 4matic and YES overall diameter is important, you can't get staggered setup otherwise you will fry your transfer case(aka differential). As a owner of a auto shop, I see this very often and their owners are . Please don't be one of them.
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Old Oct 23, 2010 | 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by kingofire
Huh? You are a moderator right? I question your knowledge on tires! Try www.google.com It is a great starting point.

Hyper, since you are getting the 4matic and YES overall diameter is important, you can't get staggered setup otherwise you will fry your transfer case(aka differential). As a owner of a auto shop, I see this very often and their owners are . Please don't be one of them.
OK, then please explain why, if the diameter is the same front and rear, how it affects the transfer case.

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You might want to go over to the W204 forum. MB fitted staggered setups OEM on 4-matic.
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Old Oct 23, 2010 | 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by amdeutsch
OK, then please explain why, if the diameter is the same front and rear, how it affects the transfer case.

P.S.
You might want to go over to the W204 forum. MB fitted staggered setups OEM on 4-matic.
I agree with you. I've ran staggered setups on Es (both 210 and 211) for years. Again, tire diameter MUST be identical, which is not that easy with staggered tires, eg.: 255/40-18 fr and 285/35-18 rr is a popular setup, but most tire brands in above sizes (used only as an example) are 26" front and 25.8" or 25.9" rear, which is close but not identical. Now I use 245/35-20 & 275/30-20 Summitomo HTRZ 3s which are identical diameters and rolling revolutions front and rear.

Now why C300 4matic "sport" uses substantially differen diameter tires front and rear is still unknown to me. MB fits 225/45-17 front - 25" diameter for most tire brands and 245/40-17 rear - 24.7" for most tire brands. This is 1% difference, so since most staggered sizes for E-class yeld much less than 1% difference, for example 245/40-18 and 275/35-18 are only 1/2%, then IMO there is NO reason (other that what MB dealer tells us) why properly matched staggered tires and wheels can not be used on all other MB 4matic cars - E, CL, S, ML.
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You have to have a % factor to account for changing the tires on just one axle. Using 245/40-18 as an example: front has 2/32tread and rear has 10/32 tread -> front = 25.2" and rear = 25.7" diameter. That is ~2% difference between front and rear. That has to be accounted for in the design since you can never guarantee equal wear on tires.
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thanx MB heads

I guess I'll get the 8.5's for the rear too, the wheel guy said 'no sweat we'll order
them up!'

thanx again for this information guys......
so the 5 spoke 18x8.5's for the e550 4matic amg sport package will work huh?

thanx
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Old Oct 23, 2010 | 11:43 AM
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I guess I'll get the 8.5's for the rear too, the wheel guy said 'no sweat we'll order
them up!'

thanx again for this information guys......
so the 5 spoke 18x8.5's for the e550 4matic amg sport package will work huh?

thanx
What do you have on the car now?
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Old Oct 23, 2010 | 01:08 PM
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Huh? You are a moderator right? I question your knowledge on tires! Try www.google.com It is a great starting point.

Hyper, since you are getting the 4matic and YES overall diameter is important, you can't get staggered setup otherwise you will fry your transfer case(aka differential). As a owner of a auto shop, I see this very often and their owners are . Please don't be one of them.
amdeutsch-Whoops I thought you were saying that different diameters are fine with 4matic. I read it the wrong way. I apologize for the crude post. I see a lot of moderators on different sites that spew wrong information and it gets under my skin as a lot of members instantly assume that if you are a moderator than your words are the holy grail.

I apologize. Now I need to go hide under a rock(that is for you hyper)
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Originally Posted by MCF
What do you have on the car now?
yeah, I should be straightened out here now....
the sport4matic is 18x8.5 all around......

sport would be staggered without 4matic....
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Originally Posted by amdeutsch
You have to have a % factor to account for changing the tires on just one axle. Using 245/40-18 as an example: front has 2/32tread and rear has 10/32 tread -> front = 25.2" and rear = 25.7" diameter. That is ~2% difference between front and rear. That has to be accounted for in the design since you can never guarantee equal wear on tires.
If that's the case, then its a further proof that all 4matic cars can run on staggeres wheels/tires. So it is a mystery why MB says no to all but C class.

Personally, I change tires (all 4) immediatelly when tread reaches about 6/32 (fronts usualy go firs on AWD cars). IMO tread below 6/32 increases chance of hydroplaning. I take this very seriuosly. I get only one chance to live.

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