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Great look forward to your reviews. It appears MB/AMG just outright copied the old M5 rim for the new 63...wtf? I'm also done with the flat paneled brushed aluminum soda can trim on so many of these upper end sports models, just doesn't look that great IMO. In the XKR they at least offer a very nice woven type aluminum trim mixed in with piano wood but I went for all piano wood. I like a real carbon fiber trim for the M/AMG models and not the carbon look leather trim either ala M3.
I would love it if AMG gave the new 63 its appropriate name: E55!! IMO that name has more cache amongst enthusiasts anyway!
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I agree, that cold (cheap even) flat panel aluminum trim isn't for me either. I like my interiors classic though, so I'm always a sucker for nice wood (unless on a total Sports Car, and considering these are Luxury/Sports hybrids I guess it can go either way, hehe).
I would love it if AMG gave the new 63 its appropriate name: E55!! IMO that name has more cache amongst enthusiasts anyway!
I would love it if AMG gave the new 63 its appropriate name: E55!! IMO that name has more cache amongst enthusiasts anyway!
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I actually really like this ALOT. It looks alot more serious and sporty than the E60 did. But the performance data is somewhat inferior to the benchmark CTS-V. 552 HP and 501 foot pounds. I expected more torque but I guess the 7 speed DCT will make up for it. Hope it doesn't handle like a barge tho, but then again I'd like to se the w212 keep its place as best handler.
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Weren't you comparing to the Caddy CTSV's hp/trq #'s see below
I actually really like this ALOT. It looks alot more serious and sporty than the E60 did. But the performance data is somewhat inferior to the benchmark CTS-V. 552 HP and 501 foot pounds. I expected more torque but I guess the 7 speed DCT will make up for it. Hope it doesn't handle like a barge tho, but then again I'd like to se the w212 keep its place as best handler.
I actually really like this ALOT. It looks alot more serious and sporty than the E60 did. But the performance data is somewhat inferior to the benchmark CTS-V. 552 HP and 501 foot pounds. I expected more torque but I guess the 7 speed DCT will make up for it. Hope it doesn't handle like a barge tho, but then again I'd like to se the w212 keep its place as best handler.
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I just wanna put this out there. I'm not E60 fan when it comes to exterior styling, but IMO, if you want a race-bred, no nonsense, exotically powered Sedan, the E60 M5 will go down as maybe the best of them. I'll bet those V10's won't be easy on the wallet as the miles/time piles up though.
I wonder how the F10 will handle, compared to the E60, when it comes to M5's. The F10 has been dogged for its handling and/or steering feel by many, since its release.
I wonder how the F10 will handle, compared to the E60, when it comes to M5's. The F10 has been dogged for its handling and/or steering feel by many, since its release.
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I love the M5 look as far as the exterior is concerned and I dont know how many of you have test driven the new F10 5-series but IMHO I think the interior of the F10 takes the W212 hands down and it has a lot to do with that massive screen K-A was talkin about... my only problem is what someone already pointed out, if this is the ultimate driving machine then why does a $40K less CTS-V beat the $100+K M5, belive me I know the limitations of the caddy and how its not really on the same level of lux but what its missing in lux I think it completely makes up in performance, something I think that BMW is definally missing in this iteration of the M5... I'm kinda disappointed in these numbers I was thinkin the M5 was gonna be my next car but I might have to rethink the idea
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I think that the Mercedes e63 wins in the looks column hands down!! The BMW 5 series keeps doing a variation on the same design over and over again. BMW refuses to take any chances with the golden goose. I think that I actually prefer the model from two series ago as all around cleaner looking. The front of the new m5 looks like Ms. Piggy after she's walked in on Kermit doing it with the Cookie Monster!!! Regards. Ned.
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Nothing has been tested on the road yet by independent media and certainly not yet against the CTS-V.
But the F10 S63 motor is rated at 560 hp and 680Nm of torque. The CTS-V has 556 hp and 747Nm of torque. The CTS-V is a SC motor and the S63 is a twin scroll turbo. On the other hand, the F10 has a true DCT and the CTS-V has a torque convertor auto tranny (and a manual.) Both cars weigh about the same. It'll be interesting as to what the tuning capabilities of the F10 will be.
But I'm not sure one can speculate the actual performance at this point between the two.
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I think that the Mercedes e63 wins in the looks column hands down!! The BMW 5 series keeps doing a variation on the same design over and over again. BMW refuses to take any chances with the golden goose. I think that I actually prefer the model from two series ago as all around cleaner looking. The front of the new m5 looks like Ms. Piggy after she's walked in on Kermit doing it with the Cookie Monster!!! Regards. Ned.
I've been trying to find the proper term to describe the F10's front ("bland", "flat", "EU Regulated to the point where BMW couldn't actually design a front end", "bloated"), but Ms. Piggy is the one.
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I'm confused. How does anyone know the real world performance of the F10 M5?
Nothing has been tested on the road yet by independent media and certainly not yet against the CTS-V.
But the F10 S63 motor is rated at 560 hp and 680Nm of torque. The CTS-V has 556 hp and 747Nm of torque. The CTS-V is a SC motor and the S63 is a twin scroll turbo. On the other hand, the F10 has a true DCT and the CTS-V has a torque convertor auto tranny (and a manual.) Both cars weigh about the same. It'll be interesting as to what the tuning capabilities of the F10 will be.
Nothing has been tested on the road yet by independent media and certainly not yet against the CTS-V.
But the F10 S63 motor is rated at 560 hp and 680Nm of torque. The CTS-V has 556 hp and 747Nm of torque. The CTS-V is a SC motor and the S63 is a twin scroll turbo. On the other hand, the F10 has a true DCT and the CTS-V has a torque convertor auto tranny (and a manual.) Both cars weigh about the same. It'll be interesting as to what the tuning capabilities of the F10 will be.
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Your both right, the F10 M5 has'nt been tested by anyone, but to be down 67Nm right off the bat wont help the M5 in a 0-60 because as you said they both weight the same and it doesnt matter what tranny they have, either one will make it to that speed in first gear. Now the DCT may give it an advantage later on down the line but really... at a 12 sec 1/4 mi do you really think the tranny will be able to make up for the drop in torque. Now I'm not sure why you were referring to it as a F10 S63 but what I do know is I was expecting the M5 to come out and dominate the sector since it will be the newest, but to come out and have to win on brand, lux or something else other performance would be a complete disappointment, like I said I want an M5 next but they're gonna have to do some miracles with those numbers in order to get the performance I was hoping for out of it. Hell I havent even mentioned the real king of the performance four door ring right now, the Porsche Panamera.
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haha 220S, okay so I did'nt know the name of the F10 M5 engine... mang kinda takes away from my whole arguement when I dont know something as simple of the engine nomenclature oh well. I guess the most important thing, that you even stated, is no one really knows whats gonna happen until they actually get to test the beast