W212 Rear Camber Kit
07-18-2011, 01:26 PM
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W212 Rear Camber Kit
Hello W212'ers!!!
There is an increasing number of members that are now beginning to lower their cars. With lowering comes negative camber. With negative camber comes tire wear. With tire wear comes the dreaded PTBS or Premature Tire Buying Syndrome. This condition may cause a decrease in available cash for other cool car stuff.
Here we go!!! Attached you will find pictures of the complete kit.
Kit Price: $275 shipped to the lower 48 states.
Includes:
(2) 6061-T6 Aluminum Hex Rods
(4) Squeak Free (SqF) Ends
(4) Lock Nuts
Models:
E200 CDI
E200 CGI
E220 CDI
E250 CDI
E250 CDI 4MATIC
E250 CGI
E300
E350
E350 4MATIC
E350 Bluetec
E350 CDI
E350 CDI 4MATIC
E350 CGI
E500
E550
There is an increasing number of members that are now beginning to lower their cars. With lowering comes negative camber. With negative camber comes tire wear. With tire wear comes the dreaded PTBS or Premature Tire Buying Syndrome. This condition may cause a decrease in available cash for other cool car stuff.
Here we go!!! Attached you will find pictures of the complete kit.
Kit Price: $275 shipped to the lower 48 states.
Includes:
(2) 6061-T6 Aluminum Hex Rods
(4) Squeak Free (SqF) Ends
(4) Lock Nuts
Models:
E200 CDI
E200 CGI
E220 CDI
E250 CDI
E250 CDI 4MATIC
E250 CGI
E300
E350
E350 4MATIC
E350 Bluetec
E350 CDI
E350 CDI 4MATIC
E350 CGI
E500
E550
Last edited by Ghostrider@P1 Performance; 07-19-2011 at 10:40 AM. Reason: Models and intro.
07-19-2011, 07:46 AM
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so I googled it......but will someone explain more to me?
07-19-2011, 10:41 AM
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There is an increasing number of members that are now beginning to lower their cars. With lowering comes negative camber. With negative camber comes tire wear. With tire wear comes the dreaded PTBS or Premature Tire Buying Syndrome. This condition may cause a decrease in available cash for other cool car stuff.
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There is an increasing number of members that are now beginning to lower their cars. With lowering comes negative camber. With negative camber comes tire wear. With tire wear comes the dreaded PTBS or Premature Tire Buying Syndrome. This condition may cause a decrease in available cash for other cool car stuff.
ahhhh well now... duly noted
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There is an increasing number of members that are now beginning to lower their cars. With lowering comes negative camber. With negative camber comes tire wear. With tire wear comes the dreaded PTBS or Premature Tire Buying Syndrome. This condition may cause a decrease in available cash for other cool car stuff.
When you lower your car, you will have that butterfly effect. Sometimes it may be so slight that it is visually unnoticeable. But in time, the tires may wear unevenly.
A good camber kit will fix that problem.
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You ever see those cars that are slammed to the ground and when you see the wheels, they seem to butterfly out? This problem will result in uneven tire wear.
When you lower your car, you will have that butterfly effect. Sometimes it may be so slight that it is visually unnoticeable. But in time, the tires may wear unevenly.
A good camber kit will fix that problem.
When you lower your car, you will have that butterfly effect. Sometimes it may be so slight that it is visually unnoticeable. But in time, the tires may wear unevenly.
A good camber kit will fix that problem.
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Beware, as the Camber issue is very real with lowered cars.
My old car was lowered with just springs, no camber kit or anything, and one time on the way back from Vegas, one of my tires blew out (tires were otherwise okay, but the camber was forcing pressure on one area, which wore it out). Fortunately, even on the highway going 80+ or so, nothing drastic happened, but that situation could be a recipe for major disaster.
My old car was lowered with just springs, no camber kit or anything, and one time on the way back from Vegas, one of my tires blew out (tires were otherwise okay, but the camber was forcing pressure on one area, which wore it out). Fortunately, even on the highway going 80+ or so, nothing drastic happened, but that situation could be a recipe for major disaster.
07-26-2011, 12:26 PM
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Beware, as the Camber issue is very real with lowered cars.
My old car was lowered with just springs, no camber kit or anything, and one time on the way back from Vegas, one of my tires blew out (tires were otherwise okay, but the camber was forcing pressure on one area, which wore it out). Fortunately, even on the highway going 80+ or so, nothing drastic happened, but that situation could be a recipe for major disaster.
My old car was lowered with just springs, no camber kit or anything, and one time on the way back from Vegas, one of my tires blew out (tires were otherwise okay, but the camber was forcing pressure on one area, which wore it out). Fortunately, even on the highway going 80+ or so, nothing drastic happened, but that situation could be a recipe for major disaster.
11-01-2011, 08:02 PM
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How do we get camper issues when lowering the car? Front suspension is with strut, which pretty much keeps front wheel sideways tilt aligned when the height of the car is changed. And if the sideways angle changes so much that it starts wearing the tire edge an adjustment in car's existing alignment equipment will take care of the problem.
Same with rear. It is a multi link suspension that pretty much keeps the wheel sideways tilt under control even better than the front strut construction.
Why would we need a camper kit when lowering the car? I have not seen one post yet mentioning that there is an issue like this.
Same with rear. It is a multi link suspension that pretty much keeps the wheel sideways tilt under control even better than the front strut construction.
Why would we need a camper kit when lowering the car? I have not seen one post yet mentioning that there is an issue like this.
11-01-2011, 08:07 PM
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When you lower the car it changes the geometry of your alignment.
Have you lowered your car yet?
Have you lowered your car yet?
How do we get camper issues when lowering the car? Front suspension is with strut, which pretty much keeps front wheel sideways tilt aligned when the height of the car is changed. And if the sideways angle changes so much that it starts wearing the tire edge an adjustment in car's existing alignment equipment will take care of the problem.
Same with rear. It is a multi link suspension that pretty much keeps the wheel sideways tilt under control even better than the front strut construction.
Why would we need a camper kit when lowering the car? I have not seen one post yet mentioning that there is an issue like this.
Same with rear. It is a multi link suspension that pretty much keeps the wheel sideways tilt under control even better than the front strut construction.
Why would we need a camper kit when lowering the car? I have not seen one post yet mentioning that there is an issue like this.
11-01-2011, 09:11 PM
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[quote=Ghostrider@[COLOR=black]. This condition may cause a decrease in available cash for other cool car stuff. [/COLOR]
LOL...Just thought that was funny...
LOL...Just thought that was funny...
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Arrie,
It's a known fact...when you lower the car...you get more negative camber. I use to do car shows...and I've slammed my car down to the ground....lots of negative camber.
Ghostrider is on point...suspension geometry changes.
It's a known fact...when you lower the car...you get more negative camber. I use to do car shows...and I've slammed my car down to the ground....lots of negative camber.
Ghostrider is on point...suspension geometry changes.
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love the sound of "suspension geometry"
where did you copy and paste this one from? lol
11-02-2011, 04:02 PM
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Suspension geometry is what it is. The kit would change it.
Yes, if suspension is made rather poorly or if it is made strictly for a race car you can get lots of negative camper when car lowers. This helps it to turn in curves when it leans down in fast driving thru the curve but I would think our Es do not do this excessively so that a kit is needed.
Multi link suspension is specifically made to control wheel up-and-down movement in a way that camper does not change much. Some camper change is built in it but I would not think so much that just an adjustment in the car's own suspension could not handle it if the car is lowered.
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Here are some pics of my camber, so you guys can see a real world example. The camber is not drastic, but it does affect tire wear. i went through 285 25 20s (inner edge) in about a year (vredsteins). You can see the camber better in the direct rear view pic and sig. This is a 550 with airmatic. i'll probably correct the camber when i switch to a wheel/tire size that doesn't rely on the camber to eliminate rubbing. Should be soon. Definitely glad the kit exists.
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Yo Ghostrider,
I think members here need to see the before and after alignment data, as well as, installation pics on how this thing works. Short of that, no one willing to be the public guiney pig.
I think members here need to see the before and after alignment data, as well as, installation pics on how this thing works. Short of that, no one willing to be the public guiney pig.
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As much as I would like to, I can't make people post and have to respect that decision. W212 kits have been sold and installed. Also, if anyone wants to try and buy, I would even cut them a break if they posted.
04-16-2012, 11:14 PM
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Unfortunately a lot of the people on this forum, while big time Mercedes enthusiasts, are not that familier how mechanical systems work. And how a simple ride height adjustment can change camber and toe-in. This is not a criticism, just an observation. Some guys have a real handle on things, while others are just getting started with this hobby. These forums are a great way for newbies to learn about their passion.
Vendors would be well served to better explain the advantages of purchasing their products. this isn't Hod Rod Magazine here, we are not all motor heads (well, some of us are
). A good illustration would be to take rear alignment measurements before and after lowering the car. Showing the camber change and explaining why that change will cost tires (and money) will go a long way toward selling your product.
Good luck with your venture,
Rex Hosfeld
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Vendors would be well served to better explain the advantages of purchasing their products. this isn't Hod Rod Magazine here, we are not all motor heads (well, some of us are
). A good illustration would be to take rear alignment measurements before and after lowering the car. Showing the camber change and explaining why that change will cost tires (and money) will go a long way toward selling your product. Good luck with your venture,
Rex Hosfeld
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German Cars of Sarasota
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All good points, but until I get someone that wants me to share there's not much I can do.
It just takes time. I would encourage anyone wanting any mods to do research and ask questions.
It just takes time. I would encourage anyone wanting any mods to do research and ask questions.
Unfortunately a lot of the people on this forum, while big time Mercedes enthusiasts, are not that familier how mechanical systems work. And how a simple ride height adjustment can change camber and toe-in. This is not a criticism, just an observation. Some guys have a real handle on things, while others are just getting started with this hobby. These forums are a great way for newbies to learn about their passion.
Vendors would be well served to better explain the advantages of purchasing their products. this isn't Hod Rod Magazine here, we are not all motor heads (well, some of us are). A good illustration would be to take rear alignment measurements before and after lowering the car. Showing the camber change and explaining why that change will cost tires (and money) will go a long way toward selling your product.
Good luck with your venture,
Rex Hosfeld
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German Cars of Sarasota
Vendors would be well served to better explain the advantages of purchasing their products. this isn't Hod Rod Magazine here, we are not all motor heads (well, some of us are
). A good illustration would be to take rear alignment measurements before and after lowering the car. Showing the camber change and explaining why that change will cost tires (and money) will go a long way toward selling your product. Good luck with your venture,
Rex Hosfeld
ASE Master Tech
German Cars of Sarasota
