Autocar Test: New M5 VS E63 VS Jag XF (E63 in for the upset victory?! :D)
10-05-2011, 03:47 AM
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Autocar Test: New M5 VS E63 VS Jag XF (E63 in for the upset victory?! :D)
M-B/AMG weren't sleeping on the new E63. Seems they're out "M"'ing "M, according to this article. So the E63 looks and drives better than the M5? Stop the presses! 
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Porsche Macan S SportDesign / Ex M-B's: 11 & 10 & 06 E350's, 02 S500
Yeah, it's a pig. It's kind of ruined my whole sentiment of that car. It just looks like a big heavy bloat attempted to be compensated for in a partial sense by smooth and sensual sheetmetal styling. I'd say it's the biggest confusion of bloated and lean bodywork that I've seen. Under that, the actual car indeed is a pig. The 550i weight an astonishing 4,500 lbs!
BMW had to cost cut this era of cars' chassis/construction costs, as apparently they couldn't afford/didn't want to afford lightweight and advanced materials (aluminum, light weight High Strength Steels, etc.) very generously like they had on their previous, purely advanced for their times 5-Series'.
I'll bet that BMW's next gen will have much more advanced materials usage, and will be dramatically lighter, following in Audi's footsteps, and M-B's, who state that the next generation E-Class will be 300-400 lbs lighter than this generation.
For the record, the W212 is full of advanced light weight High Strength steels, and the car is actually lighter than both the F10 and new A6 (surprising to me as M-B's usually are thought to weigh more, and the W212's overall feel is more substantial than the F10's IMO).
BMW had to cost cut this era of cars' chassis/construction costs, as apparently they couldn't afford/didn't want to afford lightweight and advanced materials (aluminum, light weight High Strength Steels, etc.) very generously like they had on their previous, purely advanced for their times 5-Series'.
I'll bet that BMW's next gen will have much more advanced materials usage, and will be dramatically lighter, following in Audi's footsteps, and M-B's, who state that the next generation E-Class will be 300-400 lbs lighter than this generation.
For the record, the W212 is full of advanced light weight High Strength steels, and the car is actually lighter than both the F10 and new A6 (surprising to me as M-B's usually are thought to weigh more, and the W212's overall feel is more substantial than the F10's IMO).
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10-05-2011, 04:39 PM
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At 4200+ lbs. I guess my Bluetec is the smaller pig to the right. 
I am really amazed at Hyundai's ability to craft a car like the Genesis (nearly S class sized) and keep it below 4000 lbs. The have their own steel mills and use their own high strength steels for strength and weight savings. The next generation Genesis could be a contender in this competition.
I am really amazed at Hyundai's ability to craft a car like the Genesis (nearly S class sized) and keep it below 4000 lbs. The have their own steel mills and use their own high strength steels for strength and weight savings. The next generation Genesis could be a contender in this competition.
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Wow, what makes the Bluetech 300-600 lbs more than an E350? (IIHS clocked the E350 in at 3775 or something around there when they Tested the car).
