Learn me on wheels...
09-16-2012, 11:27 PM
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Learn me on wheels...
Ok, so many of you have been down this path before me...several of you have gone down it many times. (Hype - you're special 
What are the main differences in actual experienced quality between say a top tier like HRE / Brabus vs a middle tier manufacturer? Is there noticeable difference in say a $1500 set of brand X vs a $6000 set of HRE's? Are there brands out there that are real bargains for what you get? Honestly not sure what brands I should be looking at. Tons of good looking wheels out there but not sure if price is really reflective of build quality. Is the "get what you pay for" analogy a solid guide here? Open to new or used wheels and would probably powder coat if used.
I like this type of style in gunmetal grey or black.
What are the main differences in actual experienced quality between say a top tier like HRE / Brabus vs a middle tier manufacturer? Is there noticeable difference in say a $1500 set of brand X vs a $6000 set of HRE's? Are there brands out there that are real bargains for what you get? Honestly not sure what brands I should be looking at. Tons of good looking wheels out there but not sure if price is really reflective of build quality. Is the "get what you pay for" analogy a solid guide here? Open to new or used wheels and would probably powder coat if used.
I like this type of style in gunmetal grey or black.
Last edited by Pntblnk; 09-16-2012 at 11:50 PM.
09-17-2012, 04:55 AM
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i got this off from here:
http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/infoWheelFAQ.dos
well, here for the lazy ones like me
:
Q. What are the different methods of making wheels?
A. In today's marketplace, steel and aluminum are the most common wheel materials. Steel wheels are made in two pieces. The inner piece, which is called the center, bolts on to the car. The outer piece is known as a barrel and receives the tire. The two pieces are welded together to form the wheel. Most original equipment wheels are made this way. Many aftermarket wheels are created this way as well, especially ones made for trucks. Steel is durable and easy to repair. For these reasons, it has remained a popular material for wheel manufacturing. The other material, aluminum, is by far the most popular type of wheel we sell. Its light weight, superior heat dissipation, and seemingly endless design variations make it the material of choice for most buyers. Aluminum wheels can be manufactured in many ways, and each method offers advantages.
Q. What does fitment mean?
A. This term is used to refer to the physical specifications of the wheel and the availability of the sizes that will fit a vehicle. So, the fitment specifications for a particular wheel and vehicle include the bolt pattern, the offset, the wheel width and the wheel diameter. If you want a particular wheel for your car, select our Find Wheel Sizes for My Vehicle section and it will guide you to the styles available and the sizes that fit.
Q. What does FWD and RWD mean?
A. FWD stands for Front Wheel Drive and RWD stands for Rear Wheel Drive. Most wheel catalogs use these acronyms to sort out the wheels available for these two different types of vehicles. The great majority of the time, a FWD wheel will not fit a RWD vehicle and vice versa.
Q. What features should I look for when buying wheels?
A. First and foremost, wheels are purchased for styling the vehicle. You've got to like how they look. Second, decide on the build method and quality. The discussion of manufacturing methods above was intended to inform you of the different ways wheels are made. Choose the manufacturing method you want at the price you are happy with. Finish quality is important, so demand a nicely finished wheel. Finally, decide on the price. We realize there are many tradeoffs between the various features and price and that's why we carry a wide selection of wheels for every budget.
Q. What does finish mean?
A. Finish refers to the type of surface treatment a wheel is given. Machined or polished finishes are popular on aluminum wheels. "Machined" is what the wheel looks like after the last shaping procedure (usually a lathe cut) has been completed. An additional step involves passing the wheel through successively finer automated and hand polishing processes. This results in the polished finish. A chrome finish is also available on aluminum wheels, but requires three additional layers of metal treatment (copper, nickel and chrome) to be achieved. Chrome finishing can significantly increase the price of the aluminum wheel. That's where steel wheels have an advantage: chrome goes on in one simple, inexpensive step. Finally, paint goes on everything and can be applied in single or multiple color schemes. Often the powder coating process is used to apply paint, resulting in a heavy, durable finish. In today's market, wheel manufacturers combine finish methods in different ways. For example, the popular tuner type designs often feature a silver center and a machined or polished lip. The last step in many styles is to seal the wheel with a clear coat, making the wheel much easier to maintain.
Q. What are the pros and cons regarding spacers and adapters?
A. In most cases, using a spacer (of greater than 3mm thickness) or an adapter means you will be using a wheel that was not designed to fit your vehicle. Unless you get the advice of a professional, this can cause trouble. An incorrectly fit wheel almost always leads to excessive wear on suspension parts, poor ride and potential mechanical failure. In the vast majority of applications, we do not recommend the use of these devices.
Q. What are hub-centric rings; do I need them?
A. Most aftermarket wheels are manufactured with a center hole that will fit a wide range of vehicles. The hub-centric ring is used to fill any gap that may exist between this hole and the vehicle's hub, thus centering the wheel on the axle. If you have vibrations after installing new wheels, chances are hub-centric rings were not used.
Q. What's the best way to clean my wheels?
A. Probably the single biggest mistake when cleaning wheels is to use super cleaners, which can contain harsh abrasives. Mild soap and warm water is sufficient for routine cleaning. After cleaning chrome-plated wheels, you can apply a non-abrasive wax or cream to prevent surface corrosion. If you have clear coated wheels, skip this step. Don't let tire cleaners come into contact with your wheels, and try not to spray cold water on hot wheels. If you go to the car wash, don't let them use steam cleaners or strong chemicals on your wheels. To brighten up your polished wheels (that don't have a clear coat), use a polishing cleaner provided by the manufacturer. To maintain this great look, apply some wax to keep the weather out.
Q. What's the best way to install and remove my new wheels?
A. That's a job that's best left to your tire dealer. A combination of special tools and methods are used to install wheels so they deliver the performance you paid for. Initial mounting of the assembly on the vehicle requires positioning and starting the lugs by hand. Next, the lugs can be pre-tightened using a hand wrench or torque stick (a tool that ensures a lug is not over tightened). The final torque setting is applied using a calibrated torque wrench. It sounds complicated, but a trained technician (like those at Discount Tire) can get this done very quickly.
Q. I just hit something in the road. How do I find out if my wheel is ok?
A. If you have a vibration or pulling symptom, chances are you may have damaged the wheel. Again, go to the tire dealer and let him inspect your wheels. He will place each assembly on the balancing machine and check for run-out (a hop or wobble). If you have a damaged wheel, get the unit repaired or replaced immediately to avoid further problems.
http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/infoWheelFAQ.dos
well, here for the lazy ones like me
:Q. What are the different methods of making wheels?
A. In today's marketplace, steel and aluminum are the most common wheel materials. Steel wheels are made in two pieces. The inner piece, which is called the center, bolts on to the car. The outer piece is known as a barrel and receives the tire. The two pieces are welded together to form the wheel. Most original equipment wheels are made this way. Many aftermarket wheels are created this way as well, especially ones made for trucks. Steel is durable and easy to repair. For these reasons, it has remained a popular material for wheel manufacturing. The other material, aluminum, is by far the most popular type of wheel we sell. Its light weight, superior heat dissipation, and seemingly endless design variations make it the material of choice for most buyers. Aluminum wheels can be manufactured in many ways, and each method offers advantages.
- One-piece cast wheels
Pouring molten aluminum into a mold creates a cast wheel. The metal then takes the mold's shape as it cools and hardens. There are three types of casting methods: low pressure/gravity, counter pressure, and high counter pressure molding (HCM). Each method has its place in today's market. A wheel manufacturer will select a particular method according to the weight, strength, and finish that they have specified for that design. Naturally, the more sophisticated and costly methods produce lighter and stronger wheels but at a higher price. - Forged / Billet wheels
The two words "forged" and "billet" have become synonymous. However, the manufacturing process is called forging, while the material used is a billet. Billet is the term used for a solid piece of dense aluminum. The forge, a huge machine that exerts thousands of pounds of pressure on the metal, basically presses or rolls the billet into its fundamental form. This forging is then machined to a final finish. This process allows wheels to be built with much less material. This results in lighter weight and unique designs, because the process creates a much stronger wheel than other methods. - Multi-piece wheels
The processes mentioned above can be combined to produce a wheel of a particular strength and weight at a particular price. For example, some wheels have a cast aluminum center, welded to a steel outer, or barrel. Another type of two-piece construction features a billet center welded to a rolled outer (extruded aluminum rolled into a hoop). Still other wheels feature a split outer so that widths and offsets can be made to custom specifications. This last method is the three-piece type construction. In this type of wheel, the center can be cast, billet or forged, and is usually attached to the outer assembly by special screws or rivets.
Q. What does fitment mean?
A. This term is used to refer to the physical specifications of the wheel and the availability of the sizes that will fit a vehicle. So, the fitment specifications for a particular wheel and vehicle include the bolt pattern, the offset, the wheel width and the wheel diameter. If you want a particular wheel for your car, select our Find Wheel Sizes for My Vehicle section and it will guide you to the styles available and the sizes that fit.
Q. What does FWD and RWD mean?
A. FWD stands for Front Wheel Drive and RWD stands for Rear Wheel Drive. Most wheel catalogs use these acronyms to sort out the wheels available for these two different types of vehicles. The great majority of the time, a FWD wheel will not fit a RWD vehicle and vice versa.
Q. What features should I look for when buying wheels?
A. First and foremost, wheels are purchased for styling the vehicle. You've got to like how they look. Second, decide on the build method and quality. The discussion of manufacturing methods above was intended to inform you of the different ways wheels are made. Choose the manufacturing method you want at the price you are happy with. Finish quality is important, so demand a nicely finished wheel. Finally, decide on the price. We realize there are many tradeoffs between the various features and price and that's why we carry a wide selection of wheels for every budget.
Q. What does finish mean?
A. Finish refers to the type of surface treatment a wheel is given. Machined or polished finishes are popular on aluminum wheels. "Machined" is what the wheel looks like after the last shaping procedure (usually a lathe cut) has been completed. An additional step involves passing the wheel through successively finer automated and hand polishing processes. This results in the polished finish. A chrome finish is also available on aluminum wheels, but requires three additional layers of metal treatment (copper, nickel and chrome) to be achieved. Chrome finishing can significantly increase the price of the aluminum wheel. That's where steel wheels have an advantage: chrome goes on in one simple, inexpensive step. Finally, paint goes on everything and can be applied in single or multiple color schemes. Often the powder coating process is used to apply paint, resulting in a heavy, durable finish. In today's market, wheel manufacturers combine finish methods in different ways. For example, the popular tuner type designs often feature a silver center and a machined or polished lip. The last step in many styles is to seal the wheel with a clear coat, making the wheel much easier to maintain.
Q. What are the pros and cons regarding spacers and adapters?
A. In most cases, using a spacer (of greater than 3mm thickness) or an adapter means you will be using a wheel that was not designed to fit your vehicle. Unless you get the advice of a professional, this can cause trouble. An incorrectly fit wheel almost always leads to excessive wear on suspension parts, poor ride and potential mechanical failure. In the vast majority of applications, we do not recommend the use of these devices.
Q. What are hub-centric rings; do I need them?
A. Most aftermarket wheels are manufactured with a center hole that will fit a wide range of vehicles. The hub-centric ring is used to fill any gap that may exist between this hole and the vehicle's hub, thus centering the wheel on the axle. If you have vibrations after installing new wheels, chances are hub-centric rings were not used.
Q. What's the best way to clean my wheels?
A. Probably the single biggest mistake when cleaning wheels is to use super cleaners, which can contain harsh abrasives. Mild soap and warm water is sufficient for routine cleaning. After cleaning chrome-plated wheels, you can apply a non-abrasive wax or cream to prevent surface corrosion. If you have clear coated wheels, skip this step. Don't let tire cleaners come into contact with your wheels, and try not to spray cold water on hot wheels. If you go to the car wash, don't let them use steam cleaners or strong chemicals on your wheels. To brighten up your polished wheels (that don't have a clear coat), use a polishing cleaner provided by the manufacturer. To maintain this great look, apply some wax to keep the weather out.
Q. What's the best way to install and remove my new wheels?
A. That's a job that's best left to your tire dealer. A combination of special tools and methods are used to install wheels so they deliver the performance you paid for. Initial mounting of the assembly on the vehicle requires positioning and starting the lugs by hand. Next, the lugs can be pre-tightened using a hand wrench or torque stick (a tool that ensures a lug is not over tightened). The final torque setting is applied using a calibrated torque wrench. It sounds complicated, but a trained technician (like those at Discount Tire) can get this done very quickly.
Q. I just hit something in the road. How do I find out if my wheel is ok?
A. If you have a vibration or pulling symptom, chances are you may have damaged the wheel. Again, go to the tire dealer and let him inspect your wheels. He will place each assembly on the balancing machine and check for run-out (a hop or wobble). If you have a damaged wheel, get the unit repaired or replaced immediately to avoid further problems.
09-17-2012, 07:43 AM
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one thing to keep in mind is no matter what you spend on wheels......they'll get knicks and scratches.........
my p40sc's already have them......it's depressing yes......
but they still look amazing...
always keep the finish in mind too.....some wheels are harder to clean that others....
I really like the one piece wheels myself....NOT a fan of rivets at all, mainly because of the keeping them clean perspective.....
I've only bent one wheel and that was a wheel from Mandrus.....
they actually make nice wheels just for Benz, would be a good wheel to start with IMHO....the choices are simple and won't make you go crazy, they are not expensive, mine were 1000 for the set...
but it's also important to find a place you like to put them on for you......
wheels are another step, and fun too!! that's why I have so many haha...
good luck point!!!!!
looks like BM2BZ posted some helpful things too
my p40sc's already have them......it's depressing yes......
but they still look amazing...
always keep the finish in mind too.....some wheels are harder to clean that others....
I really like the one piece wheels myself....NOT a fan of rivets at all, mainly because of the keeping them clean perspective.....
I've only bent one wheel and that was a wheel from Mandrus.....
they actually make nice wheels just for Benz, would be a good wheel to start with IMHO....the choices are simple and won't make you go crazy, they are not expensive, mine were 1000 for the set...
but it's also important to find a place you like to put them on for you......
wheels are another step, and fun too!! that's why I have so many haha...
good luck point!!!!!
looks like BM2BZ posted some helpful things too
09-17-2012, 08:04 AM
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09-17-2012, 11:13 AM
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BM2BZ - thanks for the link on terms. Good read and will help in my research.
Hype - will definitely check out the Mandrus offerings. Reasonable price and loos good on your ride.
Any others I should be looking at / stay away from? Somewhat wet on 19's and the stock 18's just don't fill out the fenders s well as I'd like. Not really interested in lowering but would like a little bigger profile by ~1" while not sacrificing the ride. If I could find a set of E63 19" take off's I would be tempted to go that route if the price were right. Clean look and like the darker grey accents comp'd to my AMG option wheels.
Hype - will definitely check out the Mandrus offerings. Reasonable price and loos good on your ride.
Any others I should be looking at / stay away from? Somewhat wet on 19's and the stock 18's just don't fill out the fenders s well as I'd like. Not really interested in lowering but would like a little bigger profile by ~1" while not sacrificing the ride. If I could find a set of E63 19" take off's I would be tempted to go that route if the price were right. Clean look and like the darker grey accents comp'd to my AMG option wheels.
09-17-2012, 11:23 AM
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BM2BZ - thanks for the link on terms. Good read and will help in my research.
Hype - will definitely check out the Mandrus offerings. Reasonable price and loos good on your ride.
Any others I should be looking at / stay away from? Somewhat wet on 19's and the stock 18's just don't fill out the fenders s well as I'd like. Not really interested in lowering but would like a little bigger profile by ~1" while not sacrificing the ride. If I could find a set of E63 19" take off's I would be tempted to go that route if the price were right. Clean look and like the darker grey accents comp'd to my AMG option wheels.
Hype - will definitely check out the Mandrus offerings. Reasonable price and loos good on your ride.
Any others I should be looking at / stay away from? Somewhat wet on 19's and the stock 18's just don't fill out the fenders s well as I'd like. Not really interested in lowering but would like a little bigger profile by ~1" while not sacrificing the ride. If I could find a set of E63 19" take off's I would be tempted to go that route if the price were right. Clean look and like the darker grey accents comp'd to my AMG option wheels.
! check out the classified forum/craigslist and you could possibly ****** up some nice pre-owned or even new wheels.
