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05-09-2021, 10:07 AM
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Is Bourbon food????
I know the you do you and I’ll do me attitude and I understand the corn is food argument but there are some things to think about.
1. We use hundreds of thousands of tons of corn to make whisky and Bourbon every year. After the fermentation process is over the left over corn mash is sold to cattle farms as high quality feed. I live in Kentucky and the Makers Mark distillery is about 15 miles away AND my partner’s family are cattle farmers so I know this is true! You don’t hear any screams about the “corn is food” argument unless you think that whiskey is food (maybe???).
2. I contacted an small ethanol producing company and was told that, like the whiskey producers they sell the left over corn mash to cattle farmers to use as food.
I know many other arguments against ethanol but it does burn cleaner and is better for the environment.
1. We use hundreds of thousands of tons of corn to make whisky and Bourbon every year. After the fermentation process is over the left over corn mash is sold to cattle farms as high quality feed. I live in Kentucky and the Makers Mark distillery is about 15 miles away AND my partner’s family are cattle farmers so I know this is true! You don’t hear any screams about the “corn is food” argument unless you think that whiskey is food (maybe???).
2. I contacted an small ethanol producing company and was told that, like the whiskey producers they sell the left over corn mash to cattle farmers to use as food.
I know many other arguments against ethanol but it does burn cleaner and is better for the environment.
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05-09-2021, 10:31 AM
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I know the you do you and I’ll do me attitude and I understand the corn is food argument but there are some things to think about.
1. We use hundreds of thousands of tons of corn to make whisky and Bourbon every year. After the fermentation process is over the left over corn mash is sold to cattle farms as high quality feed. I live in Kentucky and the Makers Mark distillery is about 15 miles away AND my partner’s family are cattle farmers so I know this is true! You don’t hear any screams about the “corn is food” argument unless you think that whiskey is food (maybe???).
2. I contacted an small ethanol producing company and was told that, like the whiskey producers they sell the left over corn mash to cattle farmers to use as food.
I know many other arguments against ethanol but it does burn cleaner and is better for the environment.
1. We use hundreds of thousands of tons of corn to make whisky and Bourbon every year. After the fermentation process is over the left over corn mash is sold to cattle farms as high quality feed. I live in Kentucky and the Makers Mark distillery is about 15 miles away AND my partner’s family are cattle farmers so I know this is true! You don’t hear any screams about the “corn is food” argument unless you think that whiskey is food (maybe???).
2. I contacted an small ethanol producing company and was told that, like the whiskey producers they sell the left over corn mash to cattle farmers to use as food.
I know many other arguments against ethanol but it does burn cleaner and is better for the environment.
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05-09-2021, 11:13 AM
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I know the you do you and I’ll do me attitude and I understand the corn is food argument but there are some things to think about.
1. We use hundreds of thousands of tons of corn to make whisky and Bourbon every year. After the fermentation process is over the left over corn mash is sold to cattle farms as high quality feed. I live in Kentucky and the Makers Mark distillery is about 15 miles away AND my partner’s family are cattle farmers so I know this is true! You don’t hear any screams about the “corn is food” argument unless you think that whiskey is food (maybe???).
2. I contacted an small ethanol producing company and was told that, like the whiskey producers they sell the left over corn mash to cattle farmers to use as food.
I know many other arguments against ethanol but it does burn cleaner and is better for the environment.
1. We use hundreds of thousands of tons of corn to make whisky and Bourbon every year. After the fermentation process is over the left over corn mash is sold to cattle farms as high quality feed. I live in Kentucky and the Makers Mark distillery is about 15 miles away AND my partner’s family are cattle farmers so I know this is true! You don’t hear any screams about the “corn is food” argument unless you think that whiskey is food (maybe???).
2. I contacted an small ethanol producing company and was told that, like the whiskey producers they sell the left over corn mash to cattle farmers to use as food.
I know many other arguments against ethanol but it does burn cleaner and is better for the environment.
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05-10-2021, 08:44 AM
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Unless you wanna chance driving over the crankshaft or open a window in a head gasket, I would use the highest grade fuel available on a turbocharged vehicle. Too bad no one makes a specific methanol injection kit for these cars. Best insurance out there.
05-10-2021, 12:30 PM
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make mine a Eagle Rare, single large ice cube.
the total amount of corn going into all bourbon is miniscule compared with the amount going into gasoline blending.
the total amount of corn going into all bourbon is miniscule compared with the amount going into gasoline blending.
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05-10-2021, 12:50 PM
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05-10-2021, 04:46 PM
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no, no and no.
An engine built for ethanol only does not require any of the things I mentioned and it will run in a diesel at E85 levels all day long, ethanol burns at a much lower temperature than gasoline so a heater core for your comfort and air cooling is more than enough. Cold start glow plugs are enough to get it started with lower compression than diesel, like 14-1. My friend in Manteca's tractor has been running on ETOH for at least ten years, no issues so far, he does add diesel to keep up the lubricity. The ETOH NOx is 40% less than gasoline with a converter, so no converter needed,
An engine built for ethanol only does not require any of the things I mentioned and it will run in a diesel at E85 levels all day long, ethanol burns at a much lower temperature than gasoline so a heater core for your comfort and air cooling is more than enough. Cold start glow plugs are enough to get it started with lower compression than diesel, like 14-1. My friend in Manteca's tractor has been running on ETOH for at least ten years, no issues so far, he does add diesel to keep up the lubricity. The ETOH NOx is 40% less than gasoline with a converter, so no converter needed,
Speaking of fuel's somebody asked my HVAC professor if he put number 1 or number 2 diesel in his Mercedes. He pulled out his pipe and replied, "You wouldn't feed strawberries to a jackass now would you?"
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05-10-2021, 05:16 PM
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I went to school in the central valley and my friend from Manteca said a guy was told to "kiss her where it stinks" so they drove to Manteca.
Speaking of fuel's somebody asked my HVAC professor if he put number 1 or number 2 diesel in his Mercedes. He pulled out his pipe and replied, "You wouldn't feed strawberries to a jackass now would you?"
Speaking of fuel's somebody asked my HVAC professor if he put number 1 or number 2 diesel in his Mercedes. He pulled out his pipe and replied, "You wouldn't feed strawberries to a jackass now would you?"
05-10-2021, 08:51 PM
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Now, if we were to build engines specifically to run on ethanol, like Henry Ford.. Here's the latest technology. .https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a1...anol-car-news/
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05-12-2021, 12:46 PM
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The only reason ethanol is used in fuel is because the corn producers and US government mandated it. It all began during a fuel "crisis" when the corn producers and their lobby convinced Congress that ethanol could be added to gasoline. The sole purpose was to reduce imports of gasoline, not to improve the gasoline in any way. It is not good for gasoline or gasoline powered equipment or vehicles.
It is required for political reasons and no other. That is why Iowa schedules its presidential caucus as first in the nation. Strictly so the Iowa corn producers can force candidates to continue to support ethanol.
The corn producers lobby is working hard to mandate 15% ethanol in gasoline (if not already done) and then they will work to mandate 20% and beyond.
It has become a growth industry for corn producers, refiners and transporters. So more lobbyists sending more money to Washington politicians.
Land that could be producing corn for animals or people has been diverted to corn for ethanol a it is more profitable for the corn producers.
It is required for political reasons and no other. That is why Iowa schedules its presidential caucus as first in the nation. Strictly so the Iowa corn producers can force candidates to continue to support ethanol.
The corn producers lobby is working hard to mandate 15% ethanol in gasoline (if not already done) and then they will work to mandate 20% and beyond.
It has become a growth industry for corn producers, refiners and transporters. So more lobbyists sending more money to Washington politicians.
Land that could be producing corn for animals or people has been diverted to corn for ethanol a it is more profitable for the corn producers.
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05-12-2021, 05:09 PM
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Yep. Beyond laughable.
When the world runs out of fossil fuels in 40-50 years, we will all be driving 1) Electric or; 2) Ethanol automobiles. The transition has already begun.
When the world runs out of fossil fuels in 40-50 years, we will all be driving 1) Electric or; 2) Ethanol automobiles. The transition has already begun.
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05-12-2021, 06:12 PM
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Google ethanol for engines or why ethanol is not so good and you will find numerous reports and studies of why anything above 15% is bad. The only reports that show it to be good at all are those sponsored by those who probably have a vested interests in it.
I would guess than in 40-50 years, most vehicles will be electric or some other source and neither gasoline nor ethanol.
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05-12-2021, 06:31 PM
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Soylent green?
Internal combustion is on the way out, on that we might agree. Ethanol won't be the answer, PJ's objective opinion notwithstanding.
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05-12-2021, 06:58 PM
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Well none of us will probably be here then, so not an issue.
Google ethanol for engines or why ethanol is not so good and you will find numerous reports and studies of why anything above 15% is bad. The only reports that show it to be good at all are those sponsored by those who probably have a vested interests in it.
I would guess than in 40-50 years, most vehicles will be electric or some other source and neither gasoline nor ethanol.
Google ethanol for engines or why ethanol is not so good and you will find numerous reports and studies of why anything above 15% is bad. The only reports that show it to be good at all are those sponsored by those who probably have a vested interests in it.
I would guess than in 40-50 years, most vehicles will be electric or some other source and neither gasoline nor ethanol.
And a quick FYI, Soylent green was made from plants, it was Soylent Orange that was made from people.
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05-12-2021, 07:16 PM
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Let's start with your "FYI" above, then if you want to keep going we can get into why boats don't like ethanol (which you conveniently ignored several posts ago).
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green
Thorn boards a truck transporting bodies from the euthanasia center to a recycling plant, where the secret is revealed – human corpses are being converted into Soylent Green..."Soylent Green is people!"
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05-12-2021, 07:17 PM
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What specifically do you do each week to save the environment?
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05-12-2021, 07:22 PM
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Well, if you're going to produce alternate facts I'll produce the real ones and quote sources.
Let's start with your "FYI" above, then if you want to keep going we can get into why boats don't like ethanol (which you conveniently ignored several posts ago).
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green
The people were told that Soylent Green was made from ocean plankton, and they believed that alternate fact. Sadly, the truth was somewhat more gruesome.
Let's start with your "FYI" above, then if you want to keep going we can get into why boats don't like ethanol (which you conveniently ignored several posts ago).
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green
The people were told that Soylent Green was made from ocean plankton, and they believed that alternate fact. Sadly, the truth was somewhat more gruesome.
Wikipedia? you can do better.
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Thanks for that
Edited to add: Good onya for diverting some of the waste stream. I still would rather not put it in my engine.
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Well none of us will probably be here then, so not an issue.
Google ethanol for engines or why ethanol is not so good and you will find numerous reports and studies of why anything above 15% is bad. The only reports that show it to be good at all are those sponsored by those who probably have a vested interests in it.
I would guess than in 40-50 years, most vehicles will be electric or some other source and neither gasoline nor ethanol.
Google ethanol for engines or why ethanol is not so good and you will find numerous reports and studies of why anything above 15% is bad. The only reports that show it to be good at all are those sponsored by those who probably have a vested interests in it.
I would guess than in 40-50 years, most vehicles will be electric or some other source and neither gasoline nor ethanol.
Keep in mind, petroleum stocks are also used to make most of the various plastics we consume. There will continue to be a need for this as oil stocks are depleted... Maybe sooner than anticipated.
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05-12-2021, 08:22 PM
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But I get your point...
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PJ might be able to tell you why, but any manufacturer of two stroke engines will happily do so also. Husquvarna? Stihl? Yep. Using ethanol can in fact void your warranty. Why?
https://www.husqvarna.com/us/forest/...nol-free-fuel/
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