Should I do it or not??
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Should I do it or not??
Considering trading to a CPO 2012 E-class 4MATIC 12k miles (vs my 28k).
Better MPG, more hp (louder engine though), better warranty, folding rear seats, Bi-Xenon lights, $3 - 6k more than I owe now, but lowers my payments by almost $80/month. Same color as my current model and the "bank auditor" likes that.
Drove car for a few days and did enjoy it.
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Better MPG, more hp (louder engine though), better warranty, folding rear seats, Bi-Xenon lights, $3 - 6k more than I owe now, but lowers my payments by almost $80/month. Same color as my current model and the "bank auditor" likes that.
Drove car for a few days and did enjoy it.
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Sounds like a no brainer About the only thing that I would take into consideration is the 2014 facelift and whether that might result in a better deal on a 2012 / 2013. I have an opportunity to buy a factory rep 2013 4matic with 7k miles which had a 65k sticker for $50K. I am holding of until the 2014's come out and 2k of the 65k sticker is for the rear seat DVD package which is of zero value to me.
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Sounds very nice upgrade. I would make sure the carfax is pristine. If you bought extended warranty on the 2010, can you sell it back? Are you considering buying extended CPO warranty even though not as good as factory ELW? Negotiate on car price and warranty together puts you in a stronger position than already signed contract to buy.
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Sounds like a no brainer About the only thing that I would take into consideration is the 2014 facelift and whether that might result in a better deal on a 2012 / 2013. I have an opportunity to buy a factory rep 2013 4matic with 7k miles which had a 65k sticker for $50K. I am holding of until the 2014's come out and 2k of the 65k sticker is for the rear seat DVD package which is of zero value to me.
Aren't the 2014's coming out this month?
I was told the official launch date is April 13th or April 15th. I was holding off until they show-up and I thought this was the month they do show-up? I believe there are some tax incentives being offered by the dealers if you purchase cars this month?
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Sounds very nice upgrade. I would make sure the carfax is pristine. If you bought extended warranty on the 2010, can you sell it back? Are you considering buying extended CPO warranty even though not as good as factory ELW? Negotiate on car price and warranty together puts you in a stronger position than already signed contract to buy.
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- Folding Rear Seats
- Extended Warranty
- Bi-Xenon lights (still checking on this one)
- 4MATIC (still checking on whether or not it is a SPORT version).
- actual mileage (10 - 13k?)
- Warranty offering (it is CPO, but i am considering extending that, if i get the right combo of cost and funding).
We are still negotiating the price quoted sofar is too high for my budget, but I hope they have room to negotiate some. With the 2014's coming in this month, that will be added pressure. but we will see?
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no_mulligan thanks, I think so too. I believe the car has been used as a loaner vehicle since the dealer got it. So they have been taking care of it since its arrival. I did not get an extended warranty on the 2010 and its warranty is up later this year, so I wanted to get back into a warranted car without much cost and this car covers the following options I had planned to retrofit:
We are still negotiating the price quoted sofar is too high for my budget, but I hope they have room to negotiate some. With the 2014's coming in this month, that will be added pressure. but we will see?
- Folding Rear Seats
- Extended Warranty
- Bi-Xenon lights (still checking on this one)
- 4MATIC (still checking on whether or not it is a SPORT version).
- actual mileage (10 - 13k?)
- Warranty offering (it is CPO, but i am considering extending that, if i get the right combo of cost and funding).
We are still negotiating the price quoted sofar is too high for my budget, but I hope they have room to negotiate some. With the 2014's coming in this month, that will be added pressure. but we will see?
Also, ask the salesman for the VMI (vehicle master inquiry). Look it over carefully. It will tell you every service or repair done and when. It should be very clean unless people abused it.
There is lots of room to negotiate. On a brand new car, there's 20% from MSRP. Most people don't get it. People who try hard and time it can get 10% off. No different on used. I've bought CPO as well. Good Luck.
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In addition to the deal I can get above (unsolicited) My BIL bought a brand new one at the end of last year for $8k off a 59k car. I wouldn't buy one for less of a discount than that.
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Ok, I recommend that you send a PM to konigstiger with the VIN. Ask for the data card. This will tell you everything about the build of the car. No need to wonder about Sport or Comfort suspension, or any other option,etc..
Also, ask the salesman for the VMI (vehicle master inquiry). Look it over carefully. It will tell you every service or repair done and when. It should be very clean unless people abused it.
There is lots of room to negotiate. On a brand new car, there's 20% from MSRP. Most people don't get it. People who try hard and time it can get 10% off. No different on used. I've bought CPO as well. Good Luck.
Also, ask the salesman for the VMI (vehicle master inquiry). Look it over carefully. It will tell you every service or repair done and when. It should be very clean unless people abused it.
There is lots of room to negotiate. On a brand new car, there's 20% from MSRP. Most people don't get it. People who try hard and time it can get 10% off. No different on used. I've bought CPO as well. Good Luck.
sofar I have verified:
• Folding Rear Seats - yep
• CPO Extended Warranty - 100k - yep
• Not Bi-Xenon lights, supposedly they are HID (still checking on this one)
• 4MATIC Sport - yep
• actual mileage 13k -yep
• Warranty offering (it is CPO, but i am considering extending that to 135k, if i get the right combo of cost and funding).
Need to whittle that price down a bit. However I don't think it is worth it to take it non-CPO'ed.
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you know i did not consider any of the 2013s, there could be one laying around with a substantial discount with miles. I will look around a bit to get a comparison offer.
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In addition to the deal I can get above (unsolicited) My BIL bought a brand new one at the end of last year for $8k off a 59k car. I wouldn't buy one for less of a discount than that.
you know i did not consider any of the 2013s, there could be one laying around with a substantial discount with miles. I will look around a bit to get a comparison offer.
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In addition to the deal I can get above (unsolicited) My BIL bought a brand new one at the end of last year for $8k off a 59k car. I wouldn't buy one for less of a discount than that.
you know i did not consider any of the 2013s, there could be one laying around with a substantial discount with miles. I will look around a bit to get a comparison offer.
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Considering trading to a CPO 2012 E-class 4MATIC 12k miles (vs my 28k).
Better MPG, more hp (louder engine though), better warranty, folding rear seats, Bi-Xenon lights, $3 - 6k more than I owe now, but lowers my payments by almost $80/month. Same color as my current model and the "bank auditor" likes that.
Drove car for a few days and did enjoy it.
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Better MPG, more hp (louder engine though), better warranty, folding rear seats, Bi-Xenon lights, $3 - 6k more than I owe now, but lowers my payments by almost $80/month. Same color as my current model and the "bank auditor" likes that.
Drove car for a few days and did enjoy it.
Comments?
Your current car is already very low mileage, and you know if it's been reliable or not. I'd never purchase a car that's been used as a loaner since I imagine most people probably aren't very kind to their loaners.
I'd rather keep your current car for 2 more yrs and then get a CPO 2014 E350....
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If it only raises your Loan debt $3K then why not (hard to believe that a 2 year newer car will only cost you $3K more when all is said and done, which is a good thing if true). IMO the upgrade in that case may be worth it, and since you're not Leasing cars, you can make that difference up in resale value, which makes it a wash.
Only issues will be blander front without the hockey stick LED's, which is subjective.
However, especially if you have HID's right now, I would never get a W212 without P2, and if this one doesn't have it, I'd keep looking. It was a must on both of mine.
Only issues will be blander front without the hockey stick LED's, which is subjective.
However, especially if you have HID's right now, I would never get a W212 without P2, and if this one doesn't have it, I'd keep looking. It was a must on both of mine.
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Hate to be the dissenting opinion, but owing more overall for a car that isn't fundamentally different from the car that you currently own (aside from the engine, the increased HP of which probably isn't noticeable in day-to-day driving) isn't a good use of $, IMHO. Does the $80/mo difference really make that much difference to you, if you have to pay more overall?
Your current car is already very low mileage, and you know if it's been reliable or not. I'd never purchase a car that's been used as a loaner since I imagine most people probably aren't very kind to their loaners.
I'd rather keep your current car for 2 more yrs and then get a CPO 2014 E350....
Your current car is already very low mileage, and you know if it's been reliable or not. I'd never purchase a car that's been used as a loaner since I imagine most people probably aren't very kind to their loaners.
I'd rather keep your current car for 2 more yrs and then get a CPO 2014 E350....
I see a Hyundai as a possible good use of money. Tho, I won't be driving one.
Past reliability does not forcast future especially under 50K miles.
I say trade up if you can get the numbers to work but do the homework first to cover the bases from getting burned. I never trust salesman talk. In writing is the only way.
Shopping is so exciting. Kudos to OP for doing homework here before purchase. Shopping/negotiating is exciting for me! Others dread it.
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Hate to be the dissenting opinion, but owing more overall for a car that isn't fundamentally different from the car that you currently own (aside from the engine, the increased HP of which probably isn't noticeable in day-to-day driving) isn't a good use of $, IMHO. Does the $80/mo difference really make that much difference to you, if you have to pay more overall?
Your current car is already very low mileage, and you know if it's been reliable or not. I'd never purchase a car that's been used as a loaner since I imagine most people probably aren't very kind to their loaners.
I'd rather keep your current car for 2 more yrs and then get a CPO 2014 E350....
Your current car is already very low mileage, and you know if it's been reliable or not. I'd never purchase a car that's been used as a loaner since I imagine most people probably aren't very kind to their loaners.
I'd rather keep your current car for 2 more yrs and then get a CPO 2014 E350....
Actually my C300 was a loaner car that had 11k on it and it gave me no trouble at all. Good Car, no issues. I have also purchased other brand's loaners and had no issues. I have had issues with new cars and 1 owner used cars, but nothing with the loaner cars sofar.
My car has 28k on it, so yes the mileage is not that bad. however, my warranty will expire in a couple of months, and I also have the opportunity to get a warranty for another 4 years.
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If it only raises your Loan debt $3K then why not (hard to believe that a 2 year newer car will only cost you $3K more when all is said and done, which is a good thing if true). IMO the upgrade in that case may be worth it, and since you're not Leasing cars, you can make that difference up in resale value, which makes it a wash.
Only issues will be blander front without the hockey stick LED's, which is subjective.
However, especially if you have HID's right now, I would never get a W212 without P2, and if this one doesn't have it, I'd keep looking. It was a must on both of mine.
Only issues will be blander front without the hockey stick LED's, which is subjective.
However, especially if you have HID's right now, I would never get a W212 without P2, and if this one doesn't have it, I'd keep looking. It was a must on both of mine.
As far as the cost, it is closer to $6k, so I am still at the range I initially stated ($3k - $6k).
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If the OP likes it, believes that value is there and gets a few years under warranty (BTW, would have paid THOUSANDS for that on the 2010), go for it. Live life. It might be your last Benz.
I see a Hyundai as a possible good use of money. Tho, I won't be driving one.
Past reliability does not forcast future especially under 50K miles.
I say trade up if you can get the numbers to work but do the homework first to cover the bases from getting burned. I never trust salesman talk. In writing is the only way.
Shopping is so exciting. Kudos to OP for doing homework here before purchase. Shopping/negotiating is exciting for me! Others dread it.
I see a Hyundai as a possible good use of money. Tho, I won't be driving one.
Past reliability does not forcast future especially under 50K miles.
I say trade up if you can get the numbers to work but do the homework first to cover the bases from getting burned. I never trust salesman talk. In writing is the only way.
Shopping is so exciting. Kudos to OP for doing homework here before purchase. Shopping/negotiating is exciting for me! Others dread it.
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OK, another small update:
• Folding Rear Seats - yep
• CPO Extended Warranty - 100k - yep
• Not Bi-Xenon lights, supposedly they are HID (My Sales Rep is sure they are HID, and will provide me with the retail sheet, listing all options tomorrow)
• 4MATIC Sport - yep
• actual mileage 13k -yep
• Warranty offering (it is CPO, but i am considering extending that to 135k, if i get the right combo of cost and funding).
Also got an offer in the mail from the dealer (vehicle trade-in offer - not associated with this deal - probably auto-mailed?) that may make this deal a bit better as if I am reading this right, I may get another $2k off (fingers crossed!)
• Folding Rear Seats - yep
• CPO Extended Warranty - 100k - yep
• Not Bi-Xenon lights, supposedly they are HID (My Sales Rep is sure they are HID, and will provide me with the retail sheet, listing all options tomorrow)
• 4MATIC Sport - yep
• actual mileage 13k -yep
• Warranty offering (it is CPO, but i am considering extending that to 135k, if i get the right combo of cost and funding).
Also got an offer in the mail from the dealer (vehicle trade-in offer - not associated with this deal - probably auto-mailed?) that may make this deal a bit better as if I am reading this right, I may get another $2k off (fingers crossed!
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Did not get the list as was planned. Will contact the sales rrep tomorrow to see what happened - probably will get it tomorrow.
In the meantime, I found a few more cars with pricing all over the place. One I thought was interesting is one that has 27.5k miles, but has additional options - lane keeping assist, Active Blind spot assist, driving package, and Distronics plus. It also has the following options:
FE Torque Converter housing
FE Converter 0 MM
NAT2 with optimized DMFull load ventilation
This car is a luxury model vs the others are 4MATIC/4MATIC SPorts
Dunno about the lighting system, probably halogens
I went in to a dealer and got the VMI for this vehicle and others. This one had a clean VMI. But it has a lot of miles for 2012 car, that started service in 11/2011.The pricing is ~$5 -6k less than the other car I am really considering. But it is also at a non-Mercedes dealer, so I dunno. A few additional features and a lot more miles than I want - probably a no go. - Thoughts anyone?
In the meantime, I found a few more cars with pricing all over the place. One I thought was interesting is one that has 27.5k miles, but has additional options - lane keeping assist, Active Blind spot assist, driving package, and Distronics plus. It also has the following options:
FE Torque Converter housing
FE Converter 0 MM
NAT2 with optimized DMFull load ventilation
This car is a luxury model vs the others are 4MATIC/4MATIC SPorts
Dunno about the lighting system, probably halogens
I went in to a dealer and got the VMI for this vehicle and others. This one had a clean VMI. But it has a lot of miles for 2012 car, that started service in 11/2011.The pricing is ~$5 -6k less than the other car I am really considering. But it is also at a non-Mercedes dealer, so I dunno. A few additional features and a lot more miles than I want - probably a no go. - Thoughts anyone?
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OK, another small update:
• Folding Rear Seats - yep
• CPO Extended Warranty - 100k - yep
• Not Bi-Xenon lights, supposedly they are HID (My Sales Rep is sure they are HID, and will provide me with the retail sheet, listing all options tomorrow)
• 4MATIC Sport - yep
• actual mileage 13k -yep
• Warranty offering (it is CPO, but i am considering extending that to 135k, if i get the right combo of cost and funding).
Also got an offer in the mail from the dealer (vehicle trade-in offer - not associated with this deal - probably auto-mailed?) that may make this deal a bit better as if I am reading this right, I may get another $2k off (fingers crossed!)
• Folding Rear Seats - yep
• CPO Extended Warranty - 100k - yep
• Not Bi-Xenon lights, supposedly they are HID (My Sales Rep is sure they are HID, and will provide me with the retail sheet, listing all options tomorrow)
• 4MATIC Sport - yep
• actual mileage 13k -yep
• Warranty offering (it is CPO, but i am considering extending that to 135k, if i get the right combo of cost and funding).
Also got an offer in the mail from the dealer (vehicle trade-in offer - not associated with this deal - probably auto-mailed?) that may make this deal a bit better as if I am reading this right, I may get another $2k off (fingers crossed!
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Did not get the list as was planned. Will contact the sales rrep tomorrow to see what happened - probably will get it tomorrow.
In the meantime, I found a few more cars with pricing all over the place. One I thought was interesting is one that has 27.5k miles, but has additional options - lane keeping assist, Active Blind spot assist, driving package, and Distronics plus. It also has the following options:
FE Torque Converter housing
FE Converter 0 MM
NAT2 with optimized DMFull load ventilation
This car is a luxury model vs the others are 4MATIC/4MATIC SPorts
Dunno about the lighting system, probably halogens
I went in to a dealer and got the VMI for this vehicle and others. This one had a clean VMI. But it has a lot of miles for 2012 car, that started service in 11/2011.The pricing is ~$5 -6k less than the other car I am really considering. But it is also at a non-Mercedes dealer, so I dunno. A few additional features and a lot more miles than I want - probably a no go. - Thoughts anyone?
In the meantime, I found a few more cars with pricing all over the place. One I thought was interesting is one that has 27.5k miles, but has additional options - lane keeping assist, Active Blind spot assist, driving package, and Distronics plus. It also has the following options:
FE Torque Converter housing
FE Converter 0 MM
NAT2 with optimized DMFull load ventilation
This car is a luxury model vs the others are 4MATIC/4MATIC SPorts
Dunno about the lighting system, probably halogens
I went in to a dealer and got the VMI for this vehicle and others. This one had a clean VMI. But it has a lot of miles for 2012 car, that started service in 11/2011.The pricing is ~$5 -6k less than the other car I am really considering. But it is also at a non-Mercedes dealer, so I dunno. A few additional features and a lot more miles than I want - probably a no go. - Thoughts anyone?
I've never seen a CPO sold by a non-MB dealer with MB warranty. I would not get a car and then try to get it CPO'd. I think if you buy a used MB under original warranty, when it runs out, that's it and you are not entitled to extended thru MB.
There's a recent thread here where the OP didn't like the luxury/comfort suspension that was special order by the previous owner of the used E550. It didn't corner to his expectation. So, buyer beware. Post the option code on the DataCard here for experts (not me) to explain, not just the description.
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Lot of miles goes against one of the main reasons why you are looking. I would pass. My two schools of thought on miles are as follows. First, sell before 100K because value goes down significantly after 100K (has to do with bank lending) AND have a 100K warranty with enough time based on my driving miles/yr. Second, sell before 150K AND still have the 100K warranty, here, I "roll the dice" on the last 50K. Lastly, I have a 10 year rule that says I will not hold a car more than 10 model years no matter when I acquired it becuase there are likely things that will deteriorate and repair cost versus car value becomes questionable. At 150K, high mileage required services will drain the wallet.
I've never seen a CPO sold by a non-MB dealer with MB warranty. I would not get a car and then try to get it CPO'd. I think if you buy a used MB under original warranty, when it runs out, that's it and you are not entitled to extended thru MB.
There's a recent thread here where the OP didn't like the luxury/comfort suspension that was special order by the previous owner of the used E550. It didn't corner to his expectation. So, buyer beware. Post the option code on the DataCard here for experts (not me) to explain, not just the description.
I've never seen a CPO sold by a non-MB dealer with MB warranty. I would not get a car and then try to get it CPO'd. I think if you buy a used MB under original warranty, when it runs out, that's it and you are not entitled to extended thru MB.
There's a recent thread here where the OP didn't like the luxury/comfort suspension that was special order by the previous owner of the used E550. It didn't corner to his expectation. So, buyer beware. Post the option code on the DataCard here for experts (not me) to explain, not just the description.
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Okay, finally got the correct story on the lights - not Bixenon or Hids, so I am re-evaluating the go or no go on the original target car. They do have a Black/Black car with the same configuration with only 11k miles on it, and now if I buy, I may consider that one over the Palladium Silver car. i will scout around for another week though.
