NEW RIMS, Mo problems?
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NEW RIMS, Mo problems?
Hi you massive lovable creatures!!!! I JUST posted a thread about my car being bottomed out so i apologize if its really soon to post another one. Anyway i got some new rims for my car that at the speeds of over 55 miles an hour, the car gets this like bumping/shake sensation through the steering, and only gets worse as the speed increases. I called the shop owner, as he also owns a W212 and has aftermarket rims, he said he was going to put a plastic round piece (spacer?) between the rim and that wold help sort things out. I don't know how thats going to help, but I'm no rims expert, and thought i would turn to the people who are. What do you guys think will this stop the vibration or is he BSing? AS always all advice is appreciated!
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only reason he would suggest a "plastic ring" is because your wheels aren't hub centric(he should have put the plastic ring on the 1st time he mounted the wheels,instead of waiting for you to complain)they would absolutely wobble if that was the case. i don't feel like explaining what hub centric is.
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I think the OP needs to spend more time learning about his car before he begins modding. As cars have gotten more complex and manufacturers have made huge strides in reducing NVH so hubcentric quality wheels are a requirement.
Any shop that sells and installs wheels that require hubcentric rings but don't install them should be avoided like a disease.
Any shop that sells and installs wheels that require hubcentric rings but don't install them should be avoided like a disease.
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only reason he would suggest a "plastic ring" is because your wheels aren't hub centric(he should have put the plastic ring on the 1st time he mounted the wheels,instead of waiting for you to complain)they would absolutely wobble if that was the case. i don't feel like explaining what hub centric is.
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I think the OP needs to spend more time learning about his car before he begins modding. As cars have gotten more complex and manufacturers have made huge strides in reducing NVH so hubcentric quality wheels are a requirement.
Any shop that sells and installs wheels that require hubcentric rings but don't install them should be avoided like a disease.
Any shop that sells and installs wheels that require hubcentric rings but don't install them should be avoided like a disease.
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The hub is the thing that the wheel attaches to. OE manufacturers make the wheels fit the hubs. Generic wheels are made to be fitted the largest hub size and then use metal or plastic rings to fill the space between the smaller hub and the larger wheel opening. Using this ring assures that the wheels are centered on the hub.
If the wheel isn't perfectly centered then then you'll get vibration. It is best to buy wheels that are properly sized so that you don't need to use centering rings.
It doesn't need to be off center much to cause issues.
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QUOTE=CEB;5665675]NVH - Noise Vibration and Harshness
The hub is the thing that the wheel attaches to. OE manufacturers make the wheels fit the hubs. Generic wheels are made to be fitted the largest hub size and then use metal or plastic rings to fill the space between the smaller hub and the larger wheel opening. Using this ring assures that the wheels are centered on the hub.
If the wheel isn't perfectly centered then then you'll get vibration. It is best to buy wheels that are properly sized so that you don't need to use centering rings.
It doesn't need to be off center much to cause issues.[/QUOTE]
if I knew the wheels were not the proper hub size on my car I would definitely not have bought them.now when the plastic ring is installed, will it help, or will I never get the stability of my OEM rims? Also let me say I appreciate the info you have given me,I would never found this stuff out myself!
The hub is the thing that the wheel attaches to. OE manufacturers make the wheels fit the hubs. Generic wheels are made to be fitted the largest hub size and then use metal or plastic rings to fill the space between the smaller hub and the larger wheel opening. Using this ring assures that the wheels are centered on the hub.
If the wheel isn't perfectly centered then then you'll get vibration. It is best to buy wheels that are properly sized so that you don't need to use centering rings.
It doesn't need to be off center much to cause issues.[/QUOTE]
if I knew the wheels were not the proper hub size on my car I would definitely not have bought them.now when the plastic ring is installed, will it help, or will I never get the stability of my OEM rims? Also let me say I appreciate the info you have given me,I would never found this stuff out myself!
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QUOTE=CEB;5665675]NVH - Noise Vibration and Harshness
The hub is the thing that the wheel attaches to. OE manufacturers make the wheels fit the hubs. Generic wheels are made to be fitted the largest hub size and then use metal or plastic rings to fill the space between the smaller hub and the larger wheel opening. Using this ring assures that the wheels are centered on the hub.
If the wheel isn't perfectly centered then then you'll get vibration. It is best to buy wheels that are properly sized so that you don't need to use centering rings.
It doesn't need to be off center much to cause issues.
The hub is the thing that the wheel attaches to. OE manufacturers make the wheels fit the hubs. Generic wheels are made to be fitted the largest hub size and then use metal or plastic rings to fill the space between the smaller hub and the larger wheel opening. Using this ring assures that the wheels are centered on the hub.
If the wheel isn't perfectly centered then then you'll get vibration. It is best to buy wheels that are properly sized so that you don't need to use centering rings.
It doesn't need to be off center much to cause issues.
Bob - it depends on the quality of the wheel and the centering rings but the short answer is that I doubt it.
Why don't you tell us what you bought and we'll go from there.
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if I knew the wheels were not the proper hub size on my car I would definitely not have bought them.now when the plastic ring is installed, will it help, or will I never get the stability of my OEM rims? Also let me say I appreciate the info you have given me,I would never found this stuff out myself!
Why don't you tell us what you bought and we'll go from there.[/QUOTE]
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You'd be better off buying a set of MB wheels.
Also, just click "quote" when responding to a message instead of whatever you are doing.
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You'd be better off buying a set of MB wheels.
Also, just click "quote" when responding to a message instead of whatever you are doing.[/QUOTE]
the mobile version of this site rally doesn't have quote button,that's why I couldn't quote.. I wanted to get mb rims,I just didn't like the design,I wanted something a little different. so there is no hope for these rims?
I can't seem to quote,I don't know what is going on :/
Also, just click "quote" when responding to a message instead of whatever you are doing.[/QUOTE]
the mobile version of this site rally doesn't have quote button,that's why I couldn't quote.. I wanted to get mb rims,I just didn't like the design,I wanted something a little different. so there is no hope for these rims?
I can't seem to quote,I don't know what is going on :/
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the mobile version of this site rally doesn't have quote button,that's why I couldn't quote.. I wanted to get mb rims,I just didn't like the design,I wanted something a little different. so there is no hope for these rims?
I can't seem to quote,I don't know what is going on :/
I can't seem to quote,I don't know what is going on :/
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Hi Bob,
Take a look through the tech pages from a company that makes (from everything I have heard) an excellent balancer: the Hunter Roadforce GSP9700. You will quickly learn all about vibrations and what it takes for a smooth ride: http://www.gsp9700.com/
Good luck!
Take a look through the tech pages from a company that makes (from everything I have heard) an excellent balancer: the Hunter Roadforce GSP9700. You will quickly learn all about vibrations and what it takes for a smooth ride: http://www.gsp9700.com/
Good luck!
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Hi Bob,
Take a look through the tech pages from a company that makes (from everything I have heard) an excellent balancer: the Hunter Roadforce GSP9700. You will quickly learn all about vibrations and what it takes for a smooth ride: http://www.gsp9700.com/
Good luck!
Take a look through the tech pages from a company that makes (from everything I have heard) an excellent balancer: the Hunter Roadforce GSP9700. You will quickly learn all about vibrations and what it takes for a smooth ride: http://www.gsp9700.com/
Good luck!
In this case - assuming that Bob got straight wheels and decent tires - the problem may well be the spacers and that problem won't be resolved by road force balancing.
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In my experience, even if you have hub centric rings you still might get the vibration or shimmy in the steering wheel. You need an "on the car" wheel balance to make the problem go away, but within 3K miles it will come back. It's better to get rims that don't need hub centric rings.
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In my experience, even if you have hub centric rings you still might get the vibration or shimmy in the steering wheel. You need an "on the car" wheel balance to make the problem go away, but within 3K miles it will come back. It's better to get rims that don't need hub centric rings.
Last edited by bob2011; Jun 3, 2013 at 03:09 AM.
