What happens after MB gets rid of the E550?
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With increasing efficiency, lately, the V6 or the TTV6 are making 400plus HP (cadillac CTS V sport) come on a Mustang V8 used to make 300 hp 5 years ago and today makes about the same 400 plus number.
I am sure V8s will stay but in high end models with true high performance (500 hp plus).
I am sure V8s will stay but in high end models with true high performance (500 hp plus).
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Well, V6 with ~400hp are not that new. I would like to point out the Audi RS4 Avant (B5). It had an 2.7 V6 Twin Turbo...and that was like 15 years ago.
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As for me, I'll stick with my NA 2011 E550.
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Well it is actually significantly faster than the 535i.[1] To be exactly: It is just a heartbeat slower than the E550 5.5 (382hp). The E400 does not have the best 60ft time. However, when rolling, it is just as fast as the E550 (382hp). Feel free to compare the 100km/h-200km/h times (62mph-125mph): 14.1s (E400) vs. 13.5s (E550).
That E400 is seriously fast!
[1] 0-200km/h (125mph): 20.0s (E400) vs. 21.9 (535i), source: click
[2] 0-200km/h (125mph): 18.7s (E550 382hp), source: click
That E400 is seriously fast!
[1] 0-200km/h (125mph): 20.0s (E400) vs. 21.9 (535i), source: click
[2] 0-200km/h (125mph): 18.7s (E550 382hp), source: click
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Did you check my links (which you quoted by the way)? I could list even more 535i vs E400 tests. The E400 was 2-3s faster to 200km/h than the 535i in every test.
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This is a test I've seen. The E400 IS faster, but what I mean is it's not a super large difference especially at lower speeds (the difference gets higher at higher speeds which makes sense as the N55 I6 is more-so torque heavy and let's off a bit at higher RPM's) nor close to how much faster the current E550 is to the 535i, for example. Keep in mind the N55 in the 535i is underrated from the factory where dyno's show it makes closer to 320+ HP and in some cases over 330 Torque (at the crank) which is really close to the E400's output.
Edit: Yeah looks like we're quoting the same article. Indeed, it's faster, my point is in 0-60 times which in America is the biggest "tell" of speed, they seem to be about negligible, and while the E400 is faster, if it's priced near an E550 it isn't nearly "faster" enough to get people interested, IMO.
Edit: Yeah looks like we're quoting the same article. Indeed, it's faster, my point is in 0-60 times which in America is the biggest "tell" of speed, they seem to be about negligible, and while the E400 is faster, if it's priced near an E550 it isn't nearly "faster" enough to get people interested, IMO.
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Ah, I see. For me (and most car enthusiasts) 0-60 is not that important over here, as it is:
I guess the 535i does "win" as it has by far the better gearbox. That ZF 8hp is just brilliant and so much better than the NAG2FE+ still in service with the E400. My money is on the brand new NAG3 9g-Tronic, which we will see next year.
So to see the true potential of a car we (in Germany) take the 100-200km/h figure (62-125mph) as it is usually not traction limited, the gearbox does not play the biggest role and mistakes of the driver can be eliminated due to the longer acceleration time...
- pretty much traction limited and the differences are very small.
- very Driver dependent. Let's compare an E350 (W211) with an E550 (S211). If the E350 get's a jump start by just half a second or so, it takes the E550 up to 60mph or so to catch up.
- up to the gearbox and the drive ratio, which car will win.
I guess the 535i does "win" as it has by far the better gearbox. That ZF 8hp is just brilliant and so much better than the NAG2FE+ still in service with the E400. My money is on the brand new NAG3 9g-Tronic, which we will see next year.
So to see the true potential of a car we (in Germany) take the 100-200km/h figure (62-125mph) as it is usually not traction limited, the gearbox does not play the biggest role and mistakes of the driver can be eliminated due to the longer acceleration time...
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Ah, I see. For me (and most car enthusiasts) 0-60 is not that important over here, as it is:
I guess the 535i does "win" as it has by far the better gearbox. That ZF 8hp is just brilliant and so much better than the NAG2FE+ still in service with the E400. My money is on the brand new NAG3 9g-Tronic, which we will see next year.
So to see the true potential of a car we (in Germany) take the 100-200km/h figure (62-125mph) as it is usually not traction limited, the gearbox does not play the biggest role and mistakes of the driver can be eliminated due to the longer acceleration time...
- pretty much traction limited and the differences are very small.
- very Driver dependent. Let's compare an E350 (W211) with an E550 (S211). If the E350 get's a jump start by just half a second or so, it takes the E550 up to 60mph or so to catch up.
- up to the gearbox and the drive ratio, which car will win.
I guess the 535i does "win" as it has by far the better gearbox. That ZF 8hp is just brilliant and so much better than the NAG2FE+ still in service with the E400. My money is on the brand new NAG3 9g-Tronic, which we will see next year.
So to see the true potential of a car we (in Germany) take the 100-200km/h figure (62-125mph) as it is usually not traction limited, the gearbox does not play the biggest role and mistakes of the driver can be eliminated due to the longer acceleration time...
Yeah, the ZF8 is a beautiful tranny. I can't wait to see what M-B does with the 9G, I hope it's on another level from the 7G.
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The E400 and 535i were tested side by side and the E400 was just a few tenths faster, and that was even at higher speeds, as they were pretty close early on. IMO considering the E400 will replace the E550 and the 535i is so close to the E400 in straight line performance while coming at a lower price point, it just makes the E400 look more like a pointless prospect. IMO they'll sell worse than E550's UNLESS they're priced no more than a few K more than the E350's, which then I can see them selling pretty decently.
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To mess everything up:
In Germany we can currently get E200 / E250 / E350 / E400 / E500 / E63 / E63S and a few Diesel as well (E200 / E220 / E250 / E300 / E350)...not to mention those Hybrids.
In Germany we can currently get E200 / E250 / E350 / E400 / E500 / E63 / E63S and a few Diesel as well (E200 / E220 / E250 / E300 / E350)...not to mention those Hybrids.
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However if they do decide to do this then get me a E350 with loads of power and all the features of a E550 and I will be very happy
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You have a source for that? Everything I've heard signifies it will replace the 550 and the E350 won't be going anywhere. If it does replace the E350 then along with the needed 9G tranny that's big (good) news for the E Class.
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Want to bet that someone whose TTV8 or TTV6 suddenly suffers from intake port/intake valve fouling discovered after the warranty expires won't get the same response? Remember, there have been problems with direct injection engines from other manufacturers so intake port/valve fouling in direct injection engines is is not a new issue.
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Exactly. And it wasn't just MBUSA. I've heard from one owner who had her car regularly serviced by the selling dealership which failed to tell her about the TSB while her car was still under warranty (and after the TSB was issued) even though the car was one that was in the group of cars affected. When the problem surfaced (after the car was out of warranty) the dealership and the regional rep both refused to help with the repairs.
Want to bet that someone whose TTV8 or TTV6 suddenly suffers from intake port/intake valve fouling discovered after the warranty expires won't get the same response? Remember, there have been problems with direct injection engines from other manufacturers so intake port/valve fouling in direct injection engines is is not a new issue.
Want to bet that someone whose TTV8 or TTV6 suddenly suffers from intake port/intake valve fouling discovered after the warranty expires won't get the same response? Remember, there have been problems with direct injection engines from other manufacturers so intake port/valve fouling in direct injection engines is is not a new issue.
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Bottom line: Mercedes-Benz may have applied their engineering talent to solve the EGR problem in direct injection engines but early buyers of Mercedes-Benz cars with TT engines are a lot like beta testers - I wish them good luck, but I'll wait for a fully proven product.
Oh, and technically Mercedes-Benz has already dropped the E550 - the current car would be more accurately called the E460TT.
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Well, in Germany MB does pay for the M 272 / M 273 gear up to eight years (!), even if the car has not been serviced by the dealership.
Regarding the E 550 BiTurbo. You do not have to go that far. Just think about the drive chain problems - to be exactly the tensioner and check valve problems...
Regarding the E 550 BiTurbo. You do not have to go that far. Just think about the drive chain problems - to be exactly the tensioner and check valve problems...
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I wouldn't put much stock into that happening soon. The N/A 3.5 will have to be gone by the W213 I'd think. But I doubt it's going anywhere for the W212 run.
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The E400 is not "replacing" the E550. The E550 is just "gone" and thats it... end of story... not getting replaced.
The E400 is "new" Its just happens to be coming in when they are getting rid of the E550.
Or if you wanted, you could say that Mercedes is selling the E400 "in lieu of" the E550.
But the E400 is not even close to being considered as a replacement.
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Well, in Germany MB does pay for the M 272 / M 273 gear up to eight years (!), even if the car has not been serviced by the dealership.
Regarding the E 550 BiTurbo. You do not have to go that far. Just think about the drive chain problems - to be exactly the tensioner and check valve problems...
Regarding the E 550 BiTurbo. You do not have to go that far. Just think about the drive chain problems - to be exactly the tensioner and check valve problems...
